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From dcoward@pressstart.com Fri Jun 12 17:52:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id RAA09976 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 17:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:16 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:15 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Bay area collector's chat list Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:16 -0700 Message-Id: <19980612181816.0004153e.in@mail.pressstart.com> Content-Length: 4920 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 1 Hi All, This is my attempt at putting together a list of Bay Area computer collectors from the Classic Computer List. I think it would allow us to chat more about local stuff than trying to pick it out of the clutter on the List. I have all of your email addresses aliased in Eudora. If any of one don't want to be on this list then please state so to all of the names on the list. If you know of someone that should be on this list and I've forgotten them, same thing, state it to everyone in this list. If you want to reply to this list then copy all of these names to what ever you use for mail. Just remember to remove your name and add mine :) I also think that if we all knew the types of computers that each of us are looking for, we could keep each other informed when we spot one. For instant, this week at the Weird Stuff Bid sale in Sunnyvale they had at least 5 MicroVAX IIs for bid. I'm sure that one of you is into DEC stuff. Here is the list so far (in no particular order): Sam Ismail Jacob Ritorto Frank McConnell Roger Louis Sinasohn Seth Morabito Greg Troutman George Lin Larry Anderson Paul Coad Doug Yowza Robert Arnold and of course me Doug Coward My self, I've pretty much stop buying anything unless it very unsual. In fact, I have some computers I need to get rid of. I find myself in the predicament that I have so many that I don't have the room to set up and test them. So many are "condition: unknown". I'll just list three of them today. 1. Name: Colonial Data SB-80 Mfg: Colonial Data Service Corp. (about 82-83 I think) Includes: Main chassis (~17"W 6"H 17"D) with Hard drive and controller. Single board SB-80 computer. External 8" floppy drive in it's own case. One box of books and manuals, one box of 8" disks(about 60 disks). Books are mostly CP/M. Software includes 8" disk and manuals for: Qbax (?) Money Maestro (?) Magic Wand (word processor) Condor 20 (relational data base management system) CP/M 2.2 Description: It appears that the SB-80 board was originally mounted inside the main chassis. The owner moved it outside the chassis in order for the hard drive controller could take it's place. The computer board measures about 16"x16". Condition: Unknown Terms: $10 or best offer 2. Name: Eagle II E-3 Mfg: Eagle Computer Includes: No manuals or software. I assume this is a CP/M machine. Description: This is a console machine. Very similar to a TRS-80 Model 3. Two 5 1/4" floppy drives. Condition: Unknown Terms: $10 or best offer 3. Name: Osborne 1 Mfg: Osborne Computer Includes: No manual or software. Description: Tan case. Condition: Unknown Terms: Free to good home Tired of going to the same old places to look for computers? Does your wife say that you never take her for drives anymore? Well, you should check out the Computer Thrift Store in Santa Rosa. It's a great day trip. They open at 1:00 PM on Saturday and afterwards it only 30 minutes over to the coast and a late lunch in Bodega Bay. On my last trip up there I found a small pile of S-100 boards and they charged me $3.00 per board except for the unbuilt boards and they were $1. On my first trip there I found 2 North Star Horizons for $10 each. They had no idea what they were. To find the Computer Thrift Store, head north on 101, about two miles north of downtown Santa Rosa exit at Mendocino Ave. Follow the exit around to your right until you CROSS OVER THE FREEWAY. At the first light go straight through. There will be a K-MART on the right. Just pass the K-Mart will be a driveway on the right between two rows of buildings. The sign at the driveway will say GOODWILL and below that the Computer Thrift Store. The thrift store is at the end of the driveway. To get to Bodega Bay just head south on 101 to downtown Santa Rosa and take Highway 12 West and follow the signs. Oh, and if you get up there early (9:00) there is a Computer Recycling Center in Santa Rosa just like the one in Sunnyvale. Let me know what you think about a Bay area chat list. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From Roger@Sinasohn.com Sat Jun 13 12:09:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id MAA19669 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg134-237.ricochet.net [204.179.134.237]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA02082; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980613121301.43efee6c@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: "Doug Coward" From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Bay area collector's chat list Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1476 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2 At 06:18 PM 6/12/98 -0700, Doug Coward wrote: > I also think that if we all knew the types of computers >that each of us are looking for, we could keep each other Count me in for interesting portables. If it's not on my web page (http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/) then I'm interested. Under $20, I'll definitely take it; more than that and it depends on the computer. I think this is a pretty cool idea. > Name: Osborne 1 > Terms: Free to good home If no else one wants this, I'll be happy to take it off your hands. > Tired of going to the same old places to look for computers? Does your wife If y'all haven't been there yet, I can only stress once again that you need to visit HMR USA. (http://www.hmrusa.com/) Take 280N to the Army Street exit. Right on Army to 3rd st. (First big intersection) Left on third. About 3 blocks, then right on 23rd st. About 1.5 blocks, and it's on your right. (You can't miss it.) Open Fridays, and alternate Saturdays. >the Computer Thrift Store in Santa Rosa. It's a great day trip. They open Sounds good! > Let me know what you think about a Bay area chat list. Count me in. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From george.lin@documentum.com Sat Jun 13 13:55:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from documentum.com (fwout.documentum.com [198.182.5.163]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id NAA07755 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from corpismsg01.documentum.com by documentum.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27536; Sat, 13 Jun 98 13:54:44 PDT Received: by corpismsg01.documentum.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:55:55 -0700 Message-Id: <772C79B742F8D111B2E6006097DBDAA40276E0@corpismsg01.documentum.com> From: "Lin, George" To: "'Roger Sinasohn'" , Doug Coward Cc: Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , "Lin, George" , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: RE: Bay area collector's chat list Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 13:55:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 2609 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3 Hi, Great concept! I am cleaning out some of my duplicates. The following are for trade for systems that I don't have. See my home page at http://gml.com/george . I am interested in classic home computers, portables, game machines, and calculators. For trade. All in good working condition. Cosmetic varies from used to mint: Apple IIc Commodore 128 (no power supply) Commodore plus/4 (no power supply) Compaq Luggable KayPro II Osborne 1 TI 99/4A Timex Sinclair 1000 TRS-80 Color Computer 2 George -- George Lin Documentum, Inc. (Nasdaq: DCTM) Manager, Data/Voice Communi- Phone/Fax: 925-463-6800/6850 cation & End-User Computing http://www.documentum.com -----Original Message----- From: Roger Sinasohn [mailto:Roger@Sinasohn.com] Sent: Saturday, June 13, 1998 12:10 PM To: Doug Coward Cc: Sam Ismail; Jacob Ritorto; Frank McConnell; Roger Louis Sinasohn; Seth Morabito; Greg Troutman; George Lin; Larry Anderson; Paul Coad; Doug Yowza; Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Bay area collector's chat list At 06:18 PM 6/12/98 -0700, Doug Coward wrote: > I also think that if we all knew the types of computers >that each of us are looking for, we could keep each other Count me in for interesting portables. If it's not on my web page (http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/) then I'm interested. Under $20, I'll definitely take it; more than that and it depends on the computer. I think this is a pretty cool idea. > Name: Osborne 1 > Terms: Free to good home If no else one wants this, I'll be happy to take it off your hands. > Tired of going to the same old places to look for computers? Does your wife If y'all haven't been there yet, I can only stress once again that you need to visit HMR USA. (http://www.hmrusa.com/) Take 280N to the Army Street exit. Right on Army to 3rd st. (First big intersection) Left on third. About 3 blocks, then right on 23rd st. About 1.5 blocks, and it's on your right. (You can't miss it.) Open Fridays, and alternate Saturdays. >the Computer Thrift Store in Santa Rosa. It's a great day trip. They open Sounds good! > Let me know what you think about a Bay area chat list. Count me in. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From dcoward@pressstart.com Sat Jun 13 14:08:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id OAA10097 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:08:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:35:13 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:35:13 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Roger Louis Sinasohn, Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: "Doug Coward" Subject: BACCL: Computers gone Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:35:13 -0700 Message-Id: <19980613143513.045e6941.in@mail.pressstart.com> Content-Length: 1077 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4 Sam said: >Hey Doug. If nobody jumps at #1 and #2 then I'll pay you the $20 to add >them to my collection. Remember that Best Offer also includes Free. But I'll take the $20. That gives me room to move the PDP-8a into the living room away from the front door:) Roger Louis Sinasohn said: >> Name: Osborne 1 >> Terms: Free to good home >If no else one wants this, I'll be happy to take it off your hands. Thanks, guys that takes care of my computers for this week. I'll bring this computers with me to the Demo on Wednesday if that's OK with you guys. And thanks Roger for the tip, I have never heard of this place before, I'll check it out. Roger and George, remember that my first message had the wrong address for Paul. It should be pcoad@wco.com. Later guys ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From foxnhare@goldrush.com Sat Jun 13 17:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id RAA01028; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goldrush.com (JX-098.goldrush.com [207.104.48.98]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA29026; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35831CE7.A68C2DB6@goldrush.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:44:21 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@goldrush.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Coward CC: Roger Louis Sinasohn , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: BACCL: Great Idea! References: <19980613143514.045e6941.in@mail.pressstart.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1014 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5 Bay Area CC Chat List? Sounds good to me! Though Technically I am not in the bay area (unless there is a VERRYY big earthquake.) But I do and can venture down there now and again pretty readily. I got a few odd finds that I am planning to bring to VCF-2 (you know thae type of stuff that you don't really collect but you think, 'boy I bet someone at VCF would like a chance at this!') Recent find was time Timex/Sinclair tapes and 16k RAM unit... As far as making any meetings and such, I could probably make pleasonton on a weekend day, but evenings and weekday stuff are pretty tough. Santa Rosa! Cool! I have relatives there that I try to visit annually. ;) -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From fmc@reanimators.org Sun Jun 14 12:28:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id MAA17944; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id MAA06655; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id MAA06141; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:20:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199806141920.MAA06141@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: "Doug Coward" Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Bay area collector's chat list References: <19980612181816.0004153e.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 14 Jun 1998 12:20:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Doug Coward"'s message of Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:16 -0700 Content-Length: 882 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 6 "Doug Coward" wrote: > Let me know what you think about a Bay area chat list. Sounds like a good idea to me. I know of at least one collector who subscribed to classiccmp long enough to find out that he can't handle the volume -- not that he thought it was noisy, just didn't have time to wade through it and all the other stuff he has to wade through every day. And if such a list already existed, I'd have probably used it instead of classiccmp to broadcast a call for a periodic get-together. That said, though, I think I'm going to keep it on classiccmp for the first go-round, in part to see if it turns up any lurkers and in part to encourage similar efforts elsewhere. If y'all think it's a good idea to do so, I can set up a mailing-list alias here, or I can ask my (better-connected) upstream if he'd be willing to do so. -Frank McConnell From yowza@yowza.com Sun Jun 14 13:10:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id NAA26983; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 13:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22585; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:10:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:10:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Frank McConnell cc: Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Bay area collector's chat list In-Reply-To: <199806141920.MAA06141@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1509 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 7 On 14 Jun 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > Sounds like a good idea to me. I know of at least one collector who > subscribed to classiccmp long enough to find out that he can't handle > the volume -- not that he thought it was noisy, just didn't have time > to wade through it and all the other stuff he has to wade through > every day. I use procmail and pine to collate and staple all of my mailing list email. I'd be swamped without them. > If y'all think it's a good idea to do so, I can set up a mailing-list > alias here, or I can ask my (better-connected) upstream if he'd be > willing to do so. That'd be good. I'd probably just gateway the traffic into my classiccmp folder, but a regional list would solve the problem of too-much-to-read for some, and it could potentially shield the rest of the world from Frank's appendage waving. For those who didn't make the SAGE talk, there were at least 100 people in attendance, so there are many more bay area collectors/enthusiasts who are not on the classiccmp list. Maybe Sam could do some guerilla marketing for VCF at the Xerox Star talk and bring a sign-up sheet for the regional mailing list. Let's see, stuff I'm looking for (that I think you would give up without a fight): HP-IL cables, and HP AC adapters Momenta parts and tech docs Silicon Valley memoribillia from GO, GRiD, Momenta, Gavilan, etc Stuff I'm trying to unload, err, trade: almost-working DECStation 3100 and SCSI disks Solborne S4000 (one working, one not) -- Doug From yowza@yowza.com Sun Jun 14 15:25:49 1998 Return-Path: Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id PAA22570; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA16388; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:03:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:03:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Sam Ismail cc: Frank McConnell , Doug Coward , Jacob Ritorto , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Bay area collector's chat list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 248 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8 On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > > Solborne S4000 (one working, one not) > > What's that? One of the first, if not *the* first Sun SPARC workstation clone. Worth at least $200 (in eBay dollars) I bet. RARE, COLLECTORS L@@K! -- Doug From jritorto@tsoft.com Tue Jun 16 22:42:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from shell.tsoft.com (root@shell.tsoft.com [207.201.34.8]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id WAA15269; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsoft.net (jritorto@b68.ppp.tsoft.com [209.133.59.68]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA00158; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Ritorto To: Doug Coward cc: Roger Louis Sinasohn , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: <19980613143513.045e6941.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1309 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 9 I like the idea too. I've been searching for a nice old pdp11 for a few months now and have managed to scrounge a number of parts for it, but it'd be nice to have local connections. Shipping pdp11 parts around the country is too expensive. Right now I still need a cpu and 72" chassis. I'd prefer a unibus setup in the 11/44 range. I have SMD disks and a line on a controller. I'll probably have spares available after I get the thing working, so keep me in mind if you want pdp stuff or have pdp stuff to offer. I'd even consider trading in my Micro pdp (which I'm using right now to type this message as a matter of fact). Not to stir controversy, but who's going to lead this project? I saw the demise of the classic computer list a few months ago due to personality conflicts surrounding Sam and I'm mildly concerned. Perhaps you could give some statement of intent, Sam? I'd hate to see an effort like this turn into a cult of personality, if you know what I mean. But maybe I just got the wrong idea. If it's managed wholesomely, I don't care who's running the show. Anyway, keep me on all your relpy lists until something more solid occurs and I'll try to throw my two cents in when I can.. Jah guide. Jake P.S. Out of curiosity, how did you determine that I was in the Bay Area? From jritorto@tsoft.com Wed Jun 17 18:41:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from shell.tsoft.com (root@shell.tsoft.com [207.201.34.8]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id SAA26411; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:41:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsoft.net (jritorto@b63.ppp.tsoft.com [209.133.59.63]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01223; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:38:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Ritorto To: Sam Ismail cc: Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Frank McConnell , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 658 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 10 More specifically, are you interested in publically chastizing people or computer tinkering? There are forums for both and I'd rather not see this little project turn into the former. I'm not interested in engaging in this conversation again, so let's talk about how to implement the list. Who else is interested and equipped to admin this? jake On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Jacob Ritorto wrote: > > Not to stir controversy, [...] > > My intent is to flame this list of closely knit individuals, most of whom > I consider friends, into oblivion, then attempt to resurrect it as the > "I-Love-Sam Bay Area Fan Club". From fmc@reanimators.org Thu Jun 18 00:26:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id AAA04520; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id AAA15336; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:19:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id AAA13856; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199806180715.AAA13856@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: Jacob Ritorto Cc: Sam Ismail , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Frank McConnell , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 18 Jun 1998 00:15:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: Jacob Ritorto's message of Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 2688 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 11 Jacob Ritorto wrote: > More specifically, are you interested in publically chastizing people or > computer tinkering? There are forums for both and I'd rather not see this > little project turn into the former. I'm not interested in engaging in > this conversation again, so let's talk about how to implement the list. > Who else is interested and equipped to admin this? Well, OK. Let's talk equipment and interest. I run my own Un*x boxes at home. One of them does hourly UUCP polls to pick up and send mail. That's most of reanimators.org for you. Backups done nightly on the box that does mail. It'd be trivial for me to set up appropriate sendmail aliases and run the list "by hand" (processing subscription requests manually when I read them). E-mail wouldn't be immediate, there'd be up to 90 minutes delay for relaying to everyone (assuming the uucp poll works, which it doesn't always, but when it doesn't it'll just try again later), but it'd work the way mailing lists used to back in the old days. It might take me a little bit longer to set up Majordomo or some other automated mailing-list manager thing that could do automatic subscription requests, archiving, spam impediment, and all that other stuff. I could probably find time to set it up this weekend. Or I can ask my friend and upstream ISP if he'd mind running it on his VMS boxes, which are directly connected to the Internet and run several other mailing lists using some software that he is familiar with. For all I know he might be interested in subscribing though he is not an active computer collector. (Sometimes I hand him TRS-80 stuff that I don't need. BTW he has expressed interest in old issues of 80 Microcomputing should I run across any.) And I guess my interest in this boils down to helping the stuff get collected, preserved, and explored. Maybe in building my own collection too, and in working with other folks with similar interests. (For example I'm interested in HP minis in general, and in HP desktop calculator/computers, particularly the 9100, 98xx, and early 9000 workstations.) OK, so much for that. There's a more fundamental question. How do y'all think such a mailing list could help you and/or matters in general? I'm thinking it would be useful for (a) pointers to stuff that others might find interesting, like something that you saw in the Weird Stuff bid sale that you thought someone on the list might be more interested in than you are, (b) coordinating joint efforts, (c) a convenient source of leads for disposing of stuff that is not a real collecting priority for you, and (d) a place for general chit-chat. -Frank McConnell From yowza@yowza.com Thu Jun 18 01:00:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (yowza@behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id BAA10242; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA25798; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:00:32 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:00:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Frank McConnell cc: Jacob Ritorto , Sam Ismail , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: <199806180715.AAA13856@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 449 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 12 On 18 Jun 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > Well, OK. Let's talk equipment and interest. > > I run my own Un*x boxes at home. One of them does hourly UUCP polls > to pick up and send mail. That's most of reanimators.org for you. Well, unless you find some sort of purist enjoyment out of running the list on your V1 box over a 300 baud modem, I'll offer you an account on a T3-connected Linux box if you'll bring-up/maintain the list. -- Doug From yowza@yowza.com Thu Jun 18 01:07:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (yowza@behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id BAA11081; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA26822; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:06:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:06:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Frank McConnell cc: Jacob Ritorto , Sam Ismail , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 244 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 13 Hey, I just remembered that my world-class portfolio of domain names includes nut.net. I'll offer to give you a prestigious subdomain for the list. How about ba-classic@computer.nut.net? Put down that fruit! It was just a thought. -- Doug From fmc@reanimators.org Thu Jun 18 08:26:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id IAA08474; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id IAA16120; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id IAA29232; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199806181519.IAA29232@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: Sam Ismail Cc: Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 18 Jun 1998 08:19:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Length: 2724 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 14 Sam Ismail wrote: > I think it will help the collector community in the bay area to band > together so that we can accomplish more. Judging from the phenomenal turn > out tonight at PARC for the Star demo, there are a lot of interested > computer collectors and enthusiasts in general in our area. Somebody else put the words "collectors" and "enthusiasts" together in a message the other day and I never got around to remarking on that so here it is now. I think collectors and enthusiasts are intersecting but distinct sets. I also think most of the folks receiving this are in both sets, but you do need to be aware that there are collectors whose enthusiasm for stuff is in what they can get for it on eBay, and enthusiastic folks who are relieved that someone else is dealing with the hassles of owning all that stuff. Also you have folks who are enthusiastic about certain sorts of things. The turnout at PARC was certainly larger than I expected, but it's important to realize that a number of the attendees were folks who worked at PARC and/or on the Star, or are fascinated by the revolutionary aspects of its design -- it's not clear to me that they are enthusiastic about old computers in general. It's not even clear to me that *I'm* enthusiastic about old computers in general, I've definitely got my favorites. ... >As this list takes off and the talk conversations start buzzing, it will >help to build interest in general and a lot of the things I mentioned >above will start to happen on their own. People will start volunteering >to help our local computer history resources, people will get more excited >about collecting, we may even be able to band together to form a club with >a location where we can collectively store our stuff, like they do in >RCS/RI on the east coast. Or even *gasp* several locations! (Sorry Sam, I really think Livermore is too far away for me to get to on a weekday.) Seriously, while I have no problem with folks making or discussing such arrangements or inviting participation, I think it is important that the list stay independent of such. >Well, at least Frank and I agree. And you all? I think we need more >people here, so we should all tell our interested friends about this list >so we can add them to the distro until we formalize this with more >appropriate software. (a) You're more sure we agree than I am. (b) More input is needed from the rest of y'all. (c) I don't really mind other folks being added to the list but fear that it will result in fragmented discussions (which is my chief motivation for wanting a mailing-list to do the work of keeping track of who's on the list). (d) I gotta go to work. -Frank McConnell From jritorto@tsoft.com Thu Jun 18 22:48:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from shell.tsoft.com (root@shell.tsoft.com [207.201.34.8]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id WAA24314; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tsoft.net (jritorto@b70.ppp.tsoft.com [209.133.59.70]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA13897; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:45:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Ritorto To: Frank McConnell cc: Jacob Ritorto , Sam Ismail , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: <199806180715.AAA13856@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 778 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 15 Are there any old DEC experts here? I'm going to be looking for programming advice, manuals, and etc for the pdp11. I'd like to downsize and port some of the newer cusps and aps like pine and kermit to native DEC operating systems like RSX or RT. Also 2.xBSD perhaps. I'll also be looking for info on pdp hardware tricks, like convincing DEC SDI controllers that they're looking at a DEC-blessed disks and the like. Unfortunately, I'm not able to offer hardware resources for our list project. I do think it'd be nice to have a bsd or linux site we could all telnet in to for code/info exchange and general enjoyment. Kind of like the old times when everyone had a terminal hanging off the company machine, except bigger. Good discourse so far. I'm liking it. jake From pcoad@wco.com Fri Jun 19 01:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from shell (pcoad@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id BAA22687; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad X-Sender: pcoad@shell To: Frank McConnell cc: Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: <199806181519.IAA29232@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2151 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 16 On 18 Jun 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > I think collectors and enthusiasts are intersecting but distinct sets. > I also think most of the folks receiving this are in both sets, but > you do need to be aware that there are collectors whose enthusiasm for > stuff is in what they can get for it on eBay, and enthusiastic folks > who are relieved that someone else is dealing with the hassles of > owning all that stuff. > > Also you have folks who are enthusiastic about certain sorts of > things. The turnout at PARC was certainly larger than I expected, but > it's important to realize that a number of the attendees were folks > who worked at PARC and/or on the Star, or are fascinated by the > revolutionary aspects of its design -- it's not clear to me that they > are enthusiastic about old computers in general. It's not even > clear to me that *I'm* enthusiastic about old computers in general, > I've definitely got my favorites. > I've been thinking along these lines myself for a while. I'll bet that the number of enthusiasts is 10 times the number of collectors. I'll also bet that that there are 10 times as many people who fit in the "nostalgist" category. These being people who tripping over a TRS-80 would say "hey, I used to have one of those. They were pretty cool." So we have 4 types. Normal to collector, each with their own reactions to tripping over a TRS-80: 1. Collector picks it up, takes it home, plays with it a bit and puts it with the others. 2. Enthusiast picks it up, plays with it for a while, gives/sells it to a collector. 3. Nostalgist picks it up, remembers toe old days, puts it back down. 4. Normals pick it up and put it in the trash. Like Frank, I've got my primary interests, but I don't really see myself as a general collector. I really like that there are some people out there doing things with old machines. I also like that there are people who are willing to keep hundreds of machines. I can't and don't want to. I really like the idea of running a mailing list off of classic hardware. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From pcoad@wco.com Fri Jun 19 01:26:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from shell (pcoad@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id BAA22687; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 01:26:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad X-Sender: pcoad@shell To: Frank McConnell cc: Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: <199806181519.IAA29232@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 2151 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 17 On 18 Jun 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > I think collectors and enthusiasts are intersecting but distinct sets. > I also think most of the folks receiving this are in both sets, but > you do need to be aware that there are collectors whose enthusiasm for > stuff is in what they can get for it on eBay, and enthusiastic folks > who are relieved that someone else is dealing with the hassles of > owning all that stuff. > > Also you have folks who are enthusiastic about certain sorts of > things. The turnout at PARC was certainly larger than I expected, but > it's important to realize that a number of the attendees were folks > who worked at PARC and/or on the Star, or are fascinated by the > revolutionary aspects of its design -- it's not clear to me that they > are enthusiastic about old computers in general. It's not even > clear to me that *I'm* enthusiastic about old computers in general, > I've definitely got my favorites. > I've been thinking along these lines myself for a while. I'll bet that the number of enthusiasts is 10 times the number of collectors. I'll also bet that that there are 10 times as many people who fit in the "nostalgist" category. These being people who tripping over a TRS-80 would say "hey, I used to have one of those. They were pretty cool." So we have 4 types. Normal to collector, each with their own reactions to tripping over a TRS-80: 1. Collector picks it up, takes it home, plays with it a bit and puts it with the others. 2. Enthusiast picks it up, plays with it for a while, gives/sells it to a collector. 3. Nostalgist picks it up, remembers toe old days, puts it back down. 4. Normals pick it up and put it in the trash. Like Frank, I've got my primary interests, but I don't really see myself as a general collector. I really like that there are some people out there doing things with old machines. I also like that there are people who are willing to keep hundreds of machines. I can't and don't want to. I really like the idea of running a mailing list off of classic hardware. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yowza@yowza.com Fri Jun 19 02:49:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id CAA03345; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA15463; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:48:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 04:48:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Paul E Coad cc: Frank McConnell , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 978 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 18 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Paul E Coad wrote: > So we have 4 types. Normal to collector, each with their own reactions > to tripping over a TRS-80: > > 1. Collector picks it up, takes it home, plays with it a bit and puts > it with the others. > 2. Enthusiast picks it up, plays with it for a while, gives/sells it to a > collector. > 3. Nostalgist picks it up, remembers toe old days, puts it back down. > 4. Normals pick it up and put it in the trash. Aren't those $10 TRS-80s *still* sitting at WeirdStuff? Even collectors act normal when confronted with a TRS-80. Here's a Deep Truth for you: *everybody* is a collector to some degree. So what use is this Deep Truth, you ask? We represent the intersection of technology and collecting. I have a sinister plan to exploit this connection and take over the world. Who's with me? (Send me your resume. A compulsive desire to collect stuff + C++, Unix, web, and SQL chops will ensure your place in history.) -- Doug From Roger@Sinasohn.com Fri Jun 19 10:34:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id KAA02109; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-223.ricochet.net [204.179.128.223]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26550; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:35:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:35:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980619103435.2c070c88@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: pcoad@wco.com, fmc@reanimators.org, Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: The right forum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1119 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 19 At 01:37 AM 6/19/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'm really not a big fan of mailing lists like this for communicating on >broad topics. I prefer a BBS environment. [...] >telnet portal from the VCF web page, which will hopefully bring people to >the page every night on their way to the messages on the BBS. The problem with the BBS/Newsgroup model is that it requires the user to go to that site. With e-mail, it comes to you. Some of us have to work for a living (well, I do, anyway) and aren't able to go log in to some remote site. However, I am able to download my e-mail and read it on the bus or flip over to it while waiting for a compile. So, if this turned into a BBS, I wouldn't be able to participate, whereas a mailing list I can download, read as time permits, and stay involved. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From Roger@Sinasohn.com Fri Jun 19 10:35:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id KAA02158; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:35:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-223.ricochet.net [204.179.128.223]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA26581; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 12:35:55 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980619103412.2c07a350@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: pcoad@wco.com, fmc@reanimators.org, Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1507 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 20 At 04:48 AM 6/19/98 -0500, you wrote: >> So we have 4 types. Normal to collector, each with their own reactions >> to tripping over a TRS-80: I agree completely, except to add one more type: 5. Investor picks it up, posts it on eBay as "RARE!!! Collectible First home computer ever! L00K! +++" and sits back waiting to make a mint. >Aren't those $10 TRS-80s *still* sitting at WeirdStuff? Even collectors >act normal when confronted with a TRS-80. $10 TRS-80's? Do tell! Are they 3's? 4's? not -- -- 4p's? >Here's a Deep Truth for you: *everybody* is a collector to some degree. [...] >A compulsive desire to collect stuff + C++, Unix, web, and SQL chops Well, HP3000 Cobol and Powerhouse, some BASIC 'way back when on a CompuPro 8/16. A little web stuff, a wee bit of Visual Basic. Collect: Computers, Fugio Cents, Jefferson Nickels, Realistics (buttons in the shape of things), Beer bottle caps, transportation tokens, Minature (and full-size) Land Rovers, Probably other stuff. My Mom collected glass baskets and other antiques, including paintings and those damn plates. My dad collected opera photos. My girlfriend collects Donald Duck stuff. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From pcoad@wco.com Fri Jun 19 10:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from shell (pcoad@shell [199.4.94.16]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with SMTP id KAA08457; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad X-Sender: pcoad@shell To: Roger Sinasohn cc: fmc@reanimators.org, Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980619103412.2c07a350@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 833 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 21 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > At 04:48 AM 6/19/98 -0500, you wrote: > >> So we have 4 types. Normal to collector, each with their own reactions > >> to tripping over a TRS-80: > > I agree completely, except to add one more type: > > 5. Investor picks it up, posts it on eBay as "RARE!!! Collectible First > home computer ever! L00K! +++" and sits back waiting to make a mint. > > >Aren't those $10 TRS-80s *still* sitting at WeirdStuff? Even collectors > >act normal when confronted with a TRS-80. > > $10 TRS-80's? Do tell! Are they 3's? 4's? not -- -- 4p's? > They are 12s. I don't remember seeing keyboards with them. Not too long ago they were $100 each. Just before that they were in the bid sale area. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sethm@loomcom.com Fri Jun 19 14:20:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id OAA19795; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA10337; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:23:23 -0700 Message-Id: <199806192123.OAA10337@squeep.com> Subject: Re: The right forum To: dastar@wco.com (Sam Ismail) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Roger@Sinasohn.com, pcoad@wco.com, fmc@reanimators.org, jritorto@tsoft.com, dcoward@pressstart.com, sethm@loomcom.com, mor@crl.com, george.lin@documentum.com, foxnhare@goldrush.com, yowza@yowza.com, rax@warbaby.com In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ismail" at Jun 19, 98 01:01:07 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" Reply-To: sethm@loomcom.com (Seth J. Morabito) X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1330 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 22 > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > So, if this turned into a BBS, I wouldn't be able to participate, whereas a > > mailing list I can download, read as time permits, and stay involved. > > I'll make an e-mail gateway for you that takes all new messages and spews > them into your e-mail box. > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com This sounds like a pretty good compromise to me. Personally, at the moment I'm not sure which I'd prefer, a BBS or getting the mail here. I think I'm personally leaning toward the BBS, but I wouldn't want ot cut anyone out who wouldn't want to go there. I momentarily thought about the possibility of making a web-relay, syncing up a browsable web-based reader with the BBS, but there's one big problem that jumped out at me: address-gathering spambots. So that's the one route I would be most uncomfortable with, personally. [BTW, Hi teen gang! It's me, I'm here, honest. I'm working at a startup right now, though, and pulling the 80 hour week things for a while, so I've been less-than-able to fully participate in classic computer hoopla. Don't worry, nothing will keep me from VCF 2.0.] -Seth -- "It looks just like a Telefunken U47! Seth J. Morabito You'll love it." - Frank Zappa sethm@loomcom.com From Roger@Sinasohn.com Fri Jun 19 15:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id PAA08139; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-223.ricochet.net [204.179.128.223]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA27668; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:15:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:15:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980619112304.63d73a86@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: Sam Ismail From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics Cc: Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2920 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 23 At 10:13 AM 6/19/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: >My next question is: can someone explain how, against seemingly impossible >odds, how Fry's stays in business? By offerring a huge selection of product at reasonably low prices. Most of the complaints seem to be about a) long lines, b) odd [security] procedures, c) lack of helpful staff. a) Lotsa people there, means lotsa people in line. Not enough cashiers working. Ever been to Price Club on a Saturday afternoon? How about Target on a Friday Evening? Lucky on a Sunday? A common problem. Why pay extra for more cashiers when all people ever do is whine a bit. b) The "final indignity" occurs at lots of places, including Price Club and CompUSA; it *should* be as much to make sure you weren't charged for 44 widgets instead of 4 as it is to make sure you've only got 4 in the bag. (Keep in mind that electronic tagging, as used by book, record, and clothing stores is far more effective and efficient.) c) Sure, their staff is pretty unhelpful. But try going to CompUSA, and see what you get. Try Target or K-Mart. Good Guys or Circuit City. Price Club. Low prices = low help. You want good service, helpful/knowledgeable staff? Go shop at Neiman Marcus. Or Macy's. (I once had *incredible* service from a woman at Macy's when searching for a particular raincoat in a particular size; she worked her but off to get it for me. But I paid full list price.) The best analogy is restaurants: McDonald's offers food at cheap prices, with no service (negative service some times). On the other hand, try Paul's Italian here in the City -- You'll get great service, but you'll pay more for it. So, to sum up, if you're thinking of going to Fry's, you need to a) know *exactly* what you want (or be able to figure it out yourself), b) know what it should cost and what you're willing to pay for it, c) be willing to trade your time for the monetary savings. Now, I know what I'm doing (or at least, that's what I tell people) so I don't mind going to fry's, getting what I need, and walking out the door. (and, btw, I *don't* go in expecting to find Win3.11 software, even though I may given random salesdroids a hard time about it) My biggest problem with the retail computer industry is that there is no Neiman Marcus of the computer world -- some place where the uninformed can go, find a salesperson who knows what they're talking about, and get what they need, even if they have to pay top dollar for it. Instead, they all call *me* up and ask me. So, if you want to get rich, go start an upscale computer store. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From rax@warbaby.com Fri Jun 19 17:13:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id RAA13844; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.228.51] (ppp-asft01--011.sirius.net [205.134.227.11]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id RAA21154; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:13:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:22:55 -0800 To: Sam Ismail From: Rax Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics Cc: Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson Content-Length: 968 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 24 Sam wrote: >My next question is: can someone explain how, against seemingly impossible >odds, how Fry's stays in business? > Bigger stock and better prices than anybody else, just like Home Depot which I also hate but shop there anyway because I'm cheap. (Actually, it's not because I'm cheap but because I'm a writer and we don't get the bib bucks you programmers do...) The only aspect of Fry's that really pisses me off is the "final indignity" bit, and I ignore those guys just like I do at other places that have them. If they say anything I tell them that, if they think I've stolen something, call a cop - otherwise get the fuck out of my way. So far, they always step aside. I keep hoping they won't so I can sue the pants off them and buy more gear :) R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From Roger@Sinasohn.com Fri Jun 19 19:06:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id TAA28352; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg136-203.ricochet.net [204.179.136.203]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA15195; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:06:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:06:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980619181721.6707e2ce@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: Sam Ismail From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics Cc: Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1022 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 25 At 10:13 AM 6/19/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: >My next question is: can someone explain how, against seemingly impossible >odds, how Fry's stays in business? P.S., one further comment about Fry's (and others) security... When I was in Jr. High, I hung around with a guy who was probably a very bad influence(1), just as my mom said. I remember distinctly a time when we went into a corner store, and he walked out with 3 or 4 sodas shoved down his pant leg. If you went into Fry's, picked a box containing a hard drive up off the shelf, you could walk into a different section, rip the sucker open, shove the drive down your pants, and be out the door in two seconds. RAM is even easier. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From foxnhare@goldrush.com Fri Jun 19 19:35:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id TAA04693; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goldrush.com (AC-167.goldrush.com [207.104.48.167]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA18862; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358B20A6.FC3726B6@goldrush.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:38:31 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@goldrush.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Yowza CC: Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Robert Arnold Subject: BACCL: Collectors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1501 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 26 Doug Yowza wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Paul E Coad wrote: > > > So we have 4 types. Normal to collector, each with their own reactions > > to tripping over a TRS-80: > > 1. Collector picks it up, takes it home, plays with it a bit and puts > > it with the others. .. and shows it off to everyone and anyone he can lure to his 'museum' *grin* 'hey baby, why don't we go to my place so I can show you my computers' (and to the lady's dismay, that is all he does.) [snip] > Here's a Deep Truth for you: *everybody* is a collector to some degree. I agree with that, some people have pretty unnoticible collections though. > So what use is this Deep Truth, you ask? We represent the intersection of > technology and collecting. I have a sinister plan to exploit this > connection and take over the world. Who's with me? (Send me your resume. > A compulsive desire to collect stuff + C++, Unix, web, and SQL chops > will ensure your place in history.) What no Commdore BASIC and 6502 ML coding??? Sounds like a bleak future indeed. :I So, tell us master (breathing heavily, as we draw closer, speaking with an Igor accent) what is the plan??? -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From foxnhare@goldrush.com Fri Jun 19 19:53:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id TAA08058; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goldrush.com (AC-167.goldrush.com [207.104.48.167]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA20389; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:52:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358B24EB.41DF176B@goldrush.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:56:44 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@goldrush.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Sinasohn CC: Sam Ismail , Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics References: <3.0.16.19980619112304.63d73a86@mail.sinasohn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2088 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 27 Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > At 10:13 AM 6/19/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: > >My next question is: can someone explain how, against seemingly impossible > >odds, how Fry's stays in business? > > By offerring a huge selection of product at reasonably low prices. > Also location, me, being in the 'Far East' (as this list goes) the Sacramento Fry's is alot easier to access than some of the stuff in the bay area and silicon valley. ;) > Most of the complaints seem to be about a) long lines, b) odd [security] > procedures, c) lack of helpful staff. > That can be entertaining with the right attitude, just read some of those Frys pages. > My biggest problem with the retail computer industry is that there is no > Neiman Marcus of the computer world -- some place where the uninformed can > go, find a salesperson who knows what they're talking about, and get what > they need, even if they have to pay top dollar for it. Instead, they all > call *me* up and ask me. > I remeber a business computer store where a good portion of the staff had professional degrees in such things as marine biology, that is as close to professional I had seen. At least they could come off with the snobby 'I am better then you attitude' (until you mention that they are selling you a computer they can't afford...) > So, if you want to get rich, go start an upscale computer store. > Sounds good to me, I'd never shop there myself though. *grin* Besides when it comes to PCs most people are too cheap. Also if they were that rich they'd hire someone to compute for them like Hugh Heffner (he has a person surf the web for him). I think we need to make a top-o-the-line brand like B&O so that they are buying quality Intel and Microsoft (oxymoron?) units. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From foxnhare@goldrush.com Fri Jun 19 19:55:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id TAA08569; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goldrush.com (AC-167.goldrush.com [207.104.48.167]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA20621; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <358B2589.30842AB8@goldrush.com> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:59:21 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@goldrush.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Sinasohn CC: Sam Ismail , Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics References: <3.0.16.19980619181721.6707e2ce@mail.sinasohn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 704 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 28 Roger Sinasohn wrote: > > If you went into Fry's, picked a box containing a hard drive up off the > shelf, you could walk into a different section, rip the sucker open, shove > the drive down your pants, and be out the door in two seconds. RAM is even > easier. "Excuse me, Sir, but is that a hard drive in your pants or are you one of those sicko techno nerds?" -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From yowza@yowza.com Fri Jun 19 15:21:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) with ESMTP id PAA09796 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA15105; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:21:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:21:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Sam Ismail cc: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 1145 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 29 First, there are two ways to approach this: as something that makes money or as something that facilitates collecting. If I thought this was a huge money maker, I would have kept it to myself. However, making money sometimes just follows from useful web stuff. Those dicks at HotMail made $300M without a source of revenue! Classifieds and online auctions target short-term horizons and a small subset of each person's inventory. Each of us, as collectors, want to track our collection and expose it to others. So, if we offered online collectible inventory managment and nothing else, I think this would appeal to every collector in the world. Once a collector has their inventory list, with all the historic details, defect lists, parts list, docs list, etc., the next thing they want to do is trade. This is another universal, and it is unaddressed by any site I am aware of. The third universal is communication: mailing lists, chat areas, and "professional" content. This is fairly well addressed elsewhere, but if you bring it under the same roof as a virtual museum / trading floor, you have something very compelling. -- Doug From yowza@yowza.com Sun Jun 21 00:30:47 1998 Received: from mailq1.ncal.verio.com (mailq1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.43]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12398 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 20:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailq1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02813 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA08633; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:36:48 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 03:36:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Sam Ismail cc: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: BACCL: My interests In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 30 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Well, ok, if you don't expect to make a ton of money on this (my initial > skepticism of this and any other idea is predicated on my perception of > whether or not the idea can make a ton of money, which is my single most > important criteria for taking on any project these days...I'm a whore) > then yeah, it would be a cool side project. Frankly, I don't think anybody can predict what makes money on the web. Who would have predicted that a so-so search engine like yahoo would have a market cap of over $1B? It's hard not to make at least $1M with any web-based idea that has universal appeal. > It just became clear to me that we are both striving for the same thing. > Perhaps this should be a joint thing after all? This was a project that I had basically abandoned due to lack of time. Nobody else has done anything similar that I'm aware of, and being first is much more important than being best in the web biz, and I think this project has enough merit that I'd like to see it happen. After giving my visionary spiel, I'm starting to think this needs to be a direct adjunct to Haggle rather than a separate site. It's pretty synergistic with some of Haggle's future plans. I think it's also synergistic with VCF's goals, so maybe we can approach it this way: I see this as something that will apply to collectors of *everything*, not just computers. Each collector niche is its own little subculture, and there will be styles and content specific to each niche. I honestly don't think joint ventures work when the "specification" is as ambiguous as this one, and I know you're a control freak, so I have no question where this would end up as a joint venture :-) So, I'd like to rough out a more detailed spec, and I'd like you to review it. I'd like Haggle to own this thing, but I'd like VCF to be the first test-case as an entity that uses the software to provide content and features that address the computer collecting niche. If we can agree on a spec, I'll write up a contract that gives you equity participation in Haggle in exchange for development done on this project, so you'll benefit both from adding a "community" feature to VCF and possibly make money when Haggle goes public :-) If we can't agree on specs or terms, then we'll just leave things at the level of exchanging ideas and do our own things. My guess is that neither of us have enough time to pull it off alone, but together we'll make a lot of noise about it at least. Roger's been very quiet, BTW. Can somebody take his pulse? -- Doug From pcoad@ncal.verio.com Sun Jun 21 02:01:13 1998 Received: from shell1 (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA27150; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 02:01:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad X-Sender: pcoad@shell1 To: Roger Sinasohn cc: Sam Ismail , Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980619112304.63d73a86@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 31 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > At 10:13 AM 6/19/98 -0700, Sam Ismail wrote: > >My next question is: can someone explain how, against seemingly impossible > >odds, how Fry's stays in business? > > By offerring a huge selection of product at reasonably low prices. > Their prices are pretty good on some things, but their selection is just good enough that they likely have what you want. With all of their floor space they could have a devastating selection. One where you know that when you walk in, they will have what you want. What they have is obviously "good enough" to make a ton of money. > My biggest problem with the retail computer industry is that there is no > Neiman Marcus of the computer world -- some place where the uninformed can > go, find a salesperson who knows what they're talking about, and get what > they need, even if they have to pay top dollar for it. Instead, they all > call *me* up and ask me. > There may not be a Neiman Marcus, but there is a Macy's. ComputerWare. They only sell Mac and related stuff. I am not a big fan of Macs, but this place is nice. The people who work there know how to use Macs. On average they are older than than my newest socks and do not have to timeshare one brain cell. Their prices are a little bit higher on most things, but on some things they beat the pants off of Frys. > So, if you want to get rich, go start an upscale computer store. > Trouble is the model is wrong. PEECEEs and their related stuff are commodity items now. It is not Target vs. Neiman Marcus. It is Pack-n-Save vs. Knob Hill. There is no Neiman Marcus of grocery stores. Price is everything. The competition is on the low end. BTW stay away from the Thai ice coffee at the Sunnyvale store. It is not even as good as the one I had once in a Thai place that had live ants in it. :-p --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From yowza@yowza.com Sun Jun 21 06:37:03 1998 Received: from mailq1.ncal.verio.com (mailq1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.43]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA23692; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailq1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02833; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 16:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA12868; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:05:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 04:05:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Larry Anderson cc: Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: BACCL: Collectors In-Reply-To: <358B20A6.FC3726B6@goldrush.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 32 On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Larry Anderson wrote: > What no Commdore BASIC and 6502 ML coding??? Sounds like a bleak future > indeed. :I So, tell us master (breathing heavily, as we draw closer, > speaking with an Igor accent) what is the plan??? In the beginning, man invented barter. It worked OK, but man had a hard time finding trading partners who had stuff he wanted. So man invented cash, and trading became a two step process. However, barter is more efficient when there's a group of trading partners like us. If only we knew what each other had and what each other wanted (over time), we could reduce our cash expenditures considerably. If the internet can improve bartering efficiency for our little group, we could scale the idea up to the point that it had a global economic effect. Well, that's the global perspective, anyway :-) On a smaller scale, I'd simply like to automate the creation of mailing lists, trading collectible stuff, and keeping track of the stuff I have and the stuff I want. I've been sitting on ideas for a long time about how to do this. Sam has had similar ideas, and the guy that made the "distributed web page" using keywords and Alta Vista indexing also has similar ideas, but nothing has really fulfilled the potential of this idea yet, so I'd like to give it a try. I may give it a shot, but having done similar projects, I know how much time it takes to really pull something like this off, so if anybody else is interested, there's plenty of work to go around. -- Doug From dastar@ncal.verio.com Sun Jun 21 10:14:16 1998 Received: from shell1 (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05073; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 10:13:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail X-Sender: dastar@shell1 To: Paul E Coad cc: Roger Sinasohn , Sam Ismail , Doug Yowza , Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: The Hell that is Fry's Electronics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 33 On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Paul E Coad wrote: > > So, if you want to get rich, go start an upscale computer store. > > Trouble is the model is wrong. PEECEEs and their related stuff are > commodity items now. It is not Target vs. Neiman Marcus. It is > Pack-n-Save vs. Knob Hill. There is no Neiman Marcus of grocery > stores. Price is everything. The competition is on the low end. Yeah, but what if nuclear energy became a commodity and you could go down to your local drug store and get some enriched uranium. The average Fred still wouldn't know exactly what to do with it if the same plug 'n play standards of PCs applied to sticking the uranium in your SupraPower 2000 (that would be the name of the home nuclear power generator). The point being that you know you need more RAM, a bigger hard drive, maybe even a sound card or faster CD-ROM drive. Great. But what the hell does Fred do with it once he's got it? Even if Win95's auto-hardware detect feature didn't lock up your system half the time it tried to do a scan, you would still need to know how to install it: what jumpers to set, what cables to connect, etc. I think the Neiman-Marcus model would definitely work if oyu marketed it properly (people knew in advance they were paying way more but then could expect that once they got it home they would have no problem installing it...better yet, a bag boy comes home with you and does the installation). Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 06/11/98] From rax@warbaby.com Sun Jun 21 20:37:36 1998 Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22842; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:37:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.227.55] (ppp-asft08--234.sirius.net [205.134.227.234]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id UAA01413; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:37:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <358B20A6.FC3726B6@goldrush.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 20:47:21 -0800 To: Doug Yowza From: Rax Subject: Re: BACCL: Collectors Cc: Paul E Coad , Frank McConnell , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Doug Coward , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Robert Arnold Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 34 Doug wrote: so if anybody else >is interested, there's plenty of work to go around. > >-- Doug I'm interested. Where do we start? R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From yowza@yowza.com Tue Jun 30 12:36:36 1998 Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07945; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24390; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:36:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:36:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Doug Coward cc: Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Weird Stuff this week In-Reply-To: <19980630124136.0457e65b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 35 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > It seem that I can never get to Weird Stuff to look at the Bid Sale > item before Tuesday. > Well today they have a HP paper tape reader (it about the size of > an IBM PC). And Roger, they also had two Toshiba lap tops - a 1000 > and this big 5200/100. I did not bid on anything myself. Hey! Some of us did bid on this stuff! > So far my list of everyone's wants consists of: [...] > Me > I want to get more into Analog computers. Also most Heathkit stuff. If you get into analog, you'll want my antique Heathkit TC-1 tube tester (in wooden case). I also have a 1960 Heathkit catalog that includes the EC-1 and its big brother, the ES series. > Did I miss anyone? Yes (sniff). Bring me GRiD, GO, Momenta, CT Workslates, and other small dinosaurs. -- Doug From pcoad@ncal.verio.com Tue Jun 30 12:55:28 1998 Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19846; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: Doug Coward cc: Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Weird Stuff this week In-Reply-To: <19980630124136.0457e65b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 36 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > So far my list of everyone's wants consists of: > > Roger Louis Sinasohn > interesting portables > > Jacob Ritorto > pdp11 - a cpu and 72" chassis,in the 11/44 range > > Frank McConnell > HP minis in general, HP desktop calculator/computers, particularly > the 9100, 98xx, and early 9000 workstations. > > Seth J. Morabito > any PDP-11 > > Me > I want to get more into Analog computers. Also most Heathkit stuff. > > Did I miss anyone? Yup, me: I'm looking for old/interesting Sun stuff. Specifically Sun-2/3/4 desktop systems/parts/docs. I don't have room for the monster racks. I'm also interested in Sun ephemera. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- [...] > Seth said: > >I'm beginning to think there's never been a PDP-11 in California. > >In the past three years that I've been looking, I've never seen a PDP-11 > >come available in the Bay Area, not even so much as the common 11/23 > > You know... there was a 11/23 free for the taking at the last VCF (in a > rack). Ask Sam about that. Scott was the guys name that left it. I don't > know his last name, I'll try to find his card. He lives in Sunnyvale. HE HAS > A LOT OF DEC STUFF. > I believe Scott's last name is Statton or Stantton. He lived/lives in Mountain View. I bought some Nova core memory boards from him at the VCF. He gave me a few other boards as well. Cool guy. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Antique Computer Collection: http://www.wco.com/~pcoad/machines.html From dcoward@pressstart.com Tue Jun 30 13:43:33 1998 Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20673 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:11:59 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:11:58 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Want List Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:11:59 -0700 Message-Id: <19980630141159.04aaa85a.in@mail.pressstart.com> Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 37 Maybe during one of our get togethers, everyone could bring pictures of some of these machines they want. I know I could not recognize a Momenta. And a Sun is a Sun is a Sun to me. Which reminds me. Saturday at Mike Quinn's I looked around. (I'm pretty proud of the way I look around) and told Jay that I didn't find anything interesting. He said "What about that one sitting out front on the counter?". I looked and it was one of those MAD computers that was discussed a few weeks back on the list. I had just walked right by and never noticed it. Computer, keyboard, monitor, cables. Hav'nt had the time to try it out yet:) Seth said: >(it's particularly pathetic because I had a pdp8/i in my garage out here >for about 3 months before I had to move and was forced to give it up to >someone else.) Ouch! I hate to see anyone give up a machine they love. I would have figured out some way to store it for you until you got settled again. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So far my list of everyone's wants consists of: Roger Louis Sinasohn interesting portables Jacob Ritorto pdp11 - a cpu and 72" chassis,in the 11/44 range Frank McConnell HP minis in general, HP desktop calculator/computers, particularly the 9100, 98xx, and early 9000 workstations. Seth J. Morabito any PDP-11 Doug Yowza GRiD, GO, Momenta, CT Workslates, and other small dinosaurs. Paul Coad old/interesting Sun stuff. Specifically Sun-2/3/4 desktop systems/parts/docs. And Sun ephemera. Doug Coward Analog computers, robots, most old Heathkit stuff, magazines and docs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From yowza@yowza.com Tue Jun 30 13:56:56 1998 Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28718; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 13:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA12647; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:53:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:53:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Doug Coward cc: Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Want List In-Reply-To: <19980630141159.04aaa85a.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 38 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Maybe during one of our get togethers, everyone could bring > pictures of some of these machines they want. I know I could > not recognize a Momenta. And a Sun is a Sun is a Sun to me. If you encounter anything smaller than a lunchbox computer and your first reaction is "whoa, what the hell is this?", chances are I want it. -- Doug From sethm@loomcom.com Tue Jun 30 14:09:54 1998 Received: from loomcom.com (sethm@[209.31.5.11]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08252; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA05385; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:05:01 -0700 From: "Seth J. Morabito" Message-Id: <199806302105.OAA05385@loomcom.com> Subject: BACCL list available To: yowza@yowza.com (Doug Yowza) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: dcoward@pressstart.com, dastar@wco.com, jritorto@tsoft.com, fmc@reanimators.org, roger@sinasohn.com, sethm@loomcom.com, mor@crl.com, george.lin@documentum.com, foxnhare@goldrush.com, pcoad@wco.com, rax@warbaby.com In-Reply-To: from "Doug Yowza" at Jun 30, 98 03:53:33 pm Content-Type: text Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 39 Howdy folks, I got sick of long CC lines, so I set up a majordomo mailing list at: baccl@retronet.net You are all subscribed by default, but if anyone doesn't want to be on the list, please just let me know and I'll be sure to remove you immediately. Or you can remove yourself with an unsubscribe request to 'majordomo@retronet.net'. You can mail to everyone by sending mail to 'baccl@retronet.net'. For more information, mail to 'majordomo@retronet.net' with "help" in the body. The list has an open subscribe and unsubscribe policy. This isn't meant to be a real permanent list or anything (though it can be), it's just for sheer convenience sake! -Seth From yowza@yowza.com Tue Jun 30 15:23:00 1998 Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27266; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA04126; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:22:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 17:22:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Sam Ismail cc: Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Want List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 40 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > My list of wants is simple: > > Anything and everything (that you other guys leave behind). Didn't you fail to qualify that with "for $10 or under"? > I know this makes it both easy and impossible to figure out what I want, > but basically if you know of something interesting that nobody else cares > for, chances are I might be interested. Of course I'm not referring to PC > schlock. Did you guys see the for sale list posted by the Candian collector recently (Kevin Stump, I think)? It included a Xerox Star. I don't yet know how much he wants for it, but I'll pitch-in if somebody wants to get it and make it live again. BTW, if the shipping doesn't kill me, I am getting the IBM 5100 and the Zorba from him. One question, though: what's a Zorba? (I vaguely recall the name as a very early portable, but I could be wrong.) -- Doug From dcoward@pressstart.com Tue Jun 30 12:29:09 1998 Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03359 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:41:35 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:41:35 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Weird Stuff this week Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:41:35 -0700 Message-Id: <19980630124135.0457e65b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 41 It seem that I can never get to Weird Stuff to look at the Bid Sale item before Tuesday. Well today they have a HP paper tape reader (it about the size of an IBM PC). And Roger, they also had two Toshiba lap tops - a 1000 and this big 5200/100. I did not bid on anything myself. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So far my list of everyone's wants consists of: Roger Louis Sinasohn interesting portables Jacob Ritorto pdp11 - a cpu and 72" chassis,in the 11/44 range Frank McConnell HP minis in general, HP desktop calculator/computers, particularly the 9100, 98xx, and early 9000 workstations. Seth J. Morabito any PDP-11 Me I want to get more into Analog computers. Also most Heathkit stuff. Did I miss anyone? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jake said: >P.S. Out of curiosity, how did you determine that I was in the Bay Area? A couple of months back you mentioned something about searching around Oakland for PDP-11s So I copied your name to the list I was keeping. "> Sure, there's a little stand at the corner of East 12th St. and 12th Ummm... Assuming you're serious(?), which east 12th and 12th? In Oakland? > Welcome to California! thanks! jake" Seth said: >I'm beginning to think there's never been a PDP-11 in California. >In the past three years that I've been looking, I've never seen a PDP-11 >come available in the Bay Area, not even so much as the common 11/23 You know... there was a 11/23 free for the taking at the last VCF (in a rack). Ask Sam about that. Scott was the guys name that left it. I don't know his last name, I'll try to find his card. He lives in Sunnyvale. HE HAS A LOT OF DEC STUFF. Later ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From fmc@reanimators.org Tue Jun 30 15:57:38 1998 Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21602; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id PAA20444; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:50:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id PAA21227; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 15:54:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199806302254.PAA21227@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: "Doug Coward" Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Weird Stuff this week References: <19980630124136.0457e65b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 30 Jun 1998 15:54:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Doug Coward"'s message of Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:41:36 -0700 Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 42 "Doug Coward" wrote: > Well today they have a HP paper tape reader (it about the size of > an IBM PC). Duly noted and bid upon on Saturday. I also saw one of those monitor, 8" floppy drive, switches in base combo boxes that I associate with some sort of Intel development system that I don't know much about. It was beige instead of the usual blue, though. It was on the floor about 2/3-3/4 of the distance from the entrance, against the "back wall". -Frank McConnell From yowza@yowza.com Tue Jun 30 16:07:38 1998 Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28683; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA16413; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:07:03 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:07:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Frank McConnell cc: Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Weird Stuff this week In-Reply-To: <199806302254.PAA21227@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 43 On 30 Jun 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > I also saw one of those monitor, 8" floppy drive, switches in base > combo boxes that I associate with some sort of Intel development > system that I don't know much about. It was beige instead of the > usual blue, though. It was on the floor about 2/3-3/4 of the distance > from the entrance, against the "back wall". Somehow I missed it. What makes you think it was Intel? The MDS-80 was definitely a big blue box, as was the Intellec-8: http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.Intellec8.html If it was earlier than those two, it is way-rare. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jun 30 16:39:07 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA20003; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24498 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:42:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from loomcom.com (sethm@motherbrain.squeep.com [209.31.5.11]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24493 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:42:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@loomcom.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA07572 for baccl@retronet.net; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:58 -0700 From: "Seth J. Morabito" Message-Id: <199806302337.QAA07572@loomcom.com> Subject: 'baccl' debacle To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 16:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 44 Sorry folks, the list was broken there for a while. Thanks very much to Frank for pointing it out. Sendmail doesn't like it when you forget to run 'newaliases'. D'oh. -Seth From fmc@reanimators.org Tue Jun 30 19:57:39 1998 Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03892; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id TAA20805; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id TAA27885; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:25:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807010225.TAA27885@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: Doug Yowza Cc: Frank McConnell , Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Weird Stuff this week References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 30 Jun 1998 19:25:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: Doug Yowza's message of Tue, 30 Jun 1998 18:07:01 -0500 (CDT) Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 45 > Somehow I missed it. What makes you think it was Intel? The MDS-80 was > definitely a big blue box, as was the Intellec-8: > http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.Intellec8.html > > If it was earlier than those two, it is way-rare. I've seen similar (in Intel blue) with other Intel stuff before, on several occasions, but I don't really know what it is. No, it doesn't look like Hal Layer's Intellec-8, it really looks like a monitor (that CRT face is hard to mistake for something else) with integrated 8" floppy drive and some electronics in the bottom that involve approximately eight switches poking out through the front. I think there is supposed to be a cover over that bottom front section and that it was missing from this unit. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jun 30 19:59:24 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA04365; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24711 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24706 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id TAA20806 for baccl@retronet.net; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id TAA28208; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 19:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807010235.TAA28208@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: BACCL list available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 30 Jun 1998 19:35:33 -0700 Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 46 Seth Morabito wrote: >I got sick of long CC lines, so I set up a majordomo mailing list at: Congratulations. If you get fed up with it, I think Doug Yowza and I had established a minimum of three other willing hosts for such a list. As an experiment, I may be archiving traffic for this list, with no real plans to publish or indeed do anything beyond waste some machine cycles and disk space. I believe I am honoring X-No-Archive: Yes in the header or as the first line of the body for people who want a message to not be archived, though this is untested. (Hint, hint!) -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jun 30 20:44:19 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15879; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:44:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA24766 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from loomcom.com (sethm@motherbrain.squeep.com [209.31.5.11]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA24761 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:48:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@loomcom.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA10773 for baccl@retronet.net; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:43:10 -0700 From: "Seth J. Morabito" Message-Id: <199807010343.UAA10773@loomcom.com> Subject: Re: BACCL list available To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 20:43:10 -3100 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199807010235.TAA28208@daemonweed.reanimators.org> from "Frank McConnell" at Jun 30, 98 07:35:33 pm Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 47 > As an experiment, I may be archiving traffic for this list, with no > real plans to publish or indeed do anything beyond waste some machine > cycles and disk space. I believe I am honoring X-No-Archive: Yes in > the header or as the first line of the body for people who want a > message to not be archived, though this is untested. (Hint, hint!) Hmm, I hadn't really thought about archiving. By default, traffic on this list is being archived in the standard majordomo way. Just the same as you can grab archives of classiccmp from u.washington.edu, you can grab archives of 'baccl' from retronet.net. I'll look into respecting X-No-Archive: if I can. I'm a big advocate of privacy rights, after all. > -Frank McConnell -Seth, still workin' out the bugs. OBCC: Unix PC! From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jun 30 21:02:58 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA20542; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA24813 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:06:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA24808 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11234 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:02:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 23:02:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: BACCL list available In-Reply-To: <199807010343.UAA10773@loomcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 48 On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > I'll look into respecting X-No-Archive: if I can. I'm a big advocate > of privacy rights, after all. Privacy? Just make up a new name for yourself, and you stop worrying about such things :-) So, everybody knows that the best places to find classics are from yard sales at the military-industrial-educational complex institutions, but I haven't been to any in the bay area in the year or so I've been up here. Does anybody want to give up info about schedules and locations of such regional gold mines? -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 1 13:35:31 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20323; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25665 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25660 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 13:39:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:49:24 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:49:23 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re:Giving it up Date: Wed, 01 Jul 1998 13:49:24 -0700 Message-Id: <19980701134924.002db025.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 49 At 11:02 PM 6/30/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >So, everybody knows that the best places to find classics are from yard >sales at the military-industrial-educational complex institutions, but I >haven't been to any in the bay area in the year or so I've been up here. > >Does anybody want to give up info about schedules and locations of such >regional gold mines? I HAVE NOT BEEN TO ANY OF THESE SALES YET, but this is what I found in the last couple of months that I've been looking into this stuff. * The DRMS (Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service) web page is at http://www.drms.com/ * They hold almost monthly sales at a number of places around California. BARSTOW, CHINA LAKE, EDWARDS, MARCH, McCLELLAN, NELLIS(Nev), PENDLETON, PORT HUENEME, SAN DIEGO, SIERRA ANNEX, STOCKTON, TRAVIS, TWENTYNINE PALMS,and VANDENBERG. Phone numbers and addresses for these offices can be found at: http://www.drms.dla.mil/drmo/site/drmo.html * You can submit bids on-line. And it looks like most take Visa, Discover, and Mastercard. * The listing of the catalogs are at: http://www.drms.com/catalog/Catsite.html If you scroll down to TRAVIS CA. and click on the left most link, you get the catalog for the July 7th sale (inspection begining June 26th). I wanted to get out there last month because they had a "Northrop computer" ?? in the sale. I was curious about what this might be. But I just didn't make it out there before the sale. * STOCKTON seem to be a good place to find boats and VANDENBERG seem to be a good place to find computers. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 1 15:01:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00115; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25760 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA25755 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 15:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA09332 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:00:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:00:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re:Giving it up In-Reply-To: <19980701134924.002db025.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 50 On Wed, 1 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > * The DRMS (Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service) web page > is at http://www.drms.com/ I've visited the site before, but didn't look around enough. Looking for an analog computer? Find PORT HUENEME, CA: http://www.drms.dla.mil/htbin/flis_query?nsn=7010013615785 I called them about buying this, and since it doesn't have a catalog number, the guy told me that means it's in their warehouse and will probably be sold at their local auction, but they don't know when and there won't be an easy way to find out. Their next auction is July 23, if anybody is planning to be down near Oxnard. -- Doug From Roger@Sinasohn.com Wed Jul 1 17:34:10 1998 Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21117; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-245.ricochet.net [204.179.130.245]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24837; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:34:21 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:34:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980630173534.3c1ff58e@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: "Doug Coward" From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Want List Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 51 At 02:11 PM 6/30/98 -0700, Doug Coward wrote: > Roger Louis Sinasohn > interesting portables Well, these days, that should be "interesting cheap portables" I'm afraid. My budget is generally <$20 per machine; less if its something common. (Though, I did just shell out $115 for a mint, in the box, with manual, case, etc. Outbound Notebook. See, Sam, there are deals still available on eBay. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From Roger@Sinasohn.com Wed Jul 1 17:34:16 1998 Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA14630; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-245.ricochet.net [204.179.130.245]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24857; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980630174139.3c1f2098@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: Doug Yowza From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Want List Cc: Sam Ismail , Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 52 At 05:22 PM 6/30/98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >BTW, if the shipping doesn't kill me, I am getting the IBM 5100 and the >Zorba from him. One question, though: what's a Zorba? (I vaguely recall >the name as a very early portable, but I could be wrong.) Oh god... A Zorba... I want, I want! Me! Imagine an early Kaypro. Only much less common. I can get you more info when I get home... (I'm gonna have to dig up a copy of this list!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From Roger@Sinasohn.com Wed Jul 1 17:34:37 1998 Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21272; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 17:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-245.ricochet.net [204.179.130.245]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24909; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:34:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 19:34:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980701122605.3c1f5c3c@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: "Doug Coward" From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Weird Stuff this week Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 53 At 12:41 PM 6/30/98 -0700, Doug Coward wrote: >an IBM PC). And Roger, they also had two Toshiba lap tops - a 1000 >and this big 5200/100. I did not bid on anything myself. Got 'em. Shouldn't be more than $20 if you notice what they sell for. (I can get you several, of the 5200 anyway, if you want. 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 1 23:34:06 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04265; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA26179 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:37:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA26174 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 1998 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-034.ricochet.net [204.179.130.34]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA04029 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:34:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 01:34:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980701175657.47ff2e06@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re:Giving it up Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 54 At 01:59 PM 7/1/98 -0700, you wrote: >Documentum since they are near where I live, but anywhere in the Bay Area >would work for me as long as they can afford me. So you get, what, 10? 20 old computers/month? 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 2 12:54:34 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13784; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26866 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26861 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcoad@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06440 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 1998 12:54:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: CRC open Saturday? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 55 South Bay People: Does anyone know if the CRC will be open this Saturday? Thanks, --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Antique Computer Collection: http://www.wco.com/~pcoad/machines.html From dcoward@pressstart.com Thu Jul 2 20:25:13 1998 Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA10991 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 20:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:53:47 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:53:47 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold From: "Doug Coward" Subject: 09 July 1998 Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:53:47 -0700 Message-Id: <19980702205347.010a4ced.in@mail.pressstart.com> Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 56 >(c) So...fine, here's a time and place for all us Bay Areans to > argue over: Second Thursday, 09 July 1998, 7:00 PM, El Paso Cafe, > 1407 W El Camino Real, Mountain View. Y'all can flame me about > this in public or private, and I'm still open to change, but I want > to announce the real time and place on 30 June. Is it better to hold this on the second Saturday in Sunnyvale (after Foothill/CRC) or in the East Bay on the first Sunday (after Los Positas). And could there be a place to meet that has better PARKING and maybe QUIETER with BOOTHS and more kinds of FOOD. Just kidding Frank ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From yowza@yowza.com Fri Jul 3 01:18:19 1998 Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA25575; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA21418; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:18:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:18:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: Sam Ismail cc: Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Frank McConnell , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 57 On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > We could all meet at my place after Las Positas on Sunday for late > breakfast, and I could weasel you guys into helping me organize the heaps > for VCF2. If that's this coming Sunday, I can't make it, but I plan to be around for the following Foothill Saturday. -- Doug From Roger@Sinasohn.com Fri Jul 3 01:21:28 1998 Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26188; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-036.ricochet.net [204.179.130.36]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id DAA09463; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:21:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:21:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980703012604.525f07ca@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: "Doug Coward" From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 58 At 08:53 PM 7/2/98 -0700, Doug Coward wrote: >>(c) So...fine, here's a time and place for all us Bay Areans to >> argue over: Second Thursday, 09 July 1998, 7:00 PM, El Paso Cafe, As an alternative, Bruce Lane (and I) are planning a trip to HMR for 7/10. Perhaps others would like to go as well? Mebbe Lunch after? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 3 01:24:11 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26615; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27456 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:28:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from loomcom.com (sethm@motherbrain.squeep.com [209.31.5.11]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27451 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:27:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@loomcom.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA10438 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:22:48 -0700 From: "Seth J. Morabito" Message-Id: <199807030822.BAA10438@loomcom.com> Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:22:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980703012604.525f07ca@mail.sinasohn.com> from "Roger Sinasohn" at Jul 3, 98 03:21:40 am Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 59 > As an alternative, Bruce Lane (and I) are planning a trip to HMR for 7/10. > Perhaps others would like to go as well? Mebbe Lunch after? OK everyone, Acronym check :) I'm a bit confused -- what are these events people are mentioning? CRC? Foothill? (something at Foothill College?) HMR? Are these places with goodies to be had, hmm? :) -Seth From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 3 01:37:06 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA29488; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA27485 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:40:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA27480 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 01:40:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA25143; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:36:51 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:36:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net cc: dave dameron Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 In-Reply-To: <199807030822.BAA10438@loomcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 60 [I'm cc'ing dave dameron, since he just asked essentially the same question.] On Fri, 3 Jul 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > OK everyone, Acronym check :) > > I'm a bit confused -- what are these events people are mentioning? > > CRC? > Foothill? (something at Foothill College?) > HMR? > > Are these places with goodies to be had, hmm? :) Yes, these are all of the well-known gold mines. We won't tell you about the secret spots that have the really good stuff, but you should definitely follow-up on these acronym clues.... CRC = Computer Recycling Center, a place where people think they're donating computers for school, but they're really donating them to us (Saturday mornings in Santa Clara and Santa Rosa). Foothill = Foothill College swap meet every second Saturday. HMR = a place in SF (haven't been there) where people think they are donating to third-world countries, but are really donating to us (Fridays?). I haven't seen too much PDP-stuff at any of these places, though. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 3 09:21:00 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01867; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27926 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:24:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27915 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-036.ricochet.net [204.179.130.36]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18544 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:21:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980703023335.59578e2a@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 61 At 01:22 AM 7/3/98 -0700, you wrote: >CRC? I believe, Computer Recycling Center, a group that (supposedly) puts computers into schools, but has a weekly(?) sale on saturdays. (I say supposedly because when I approached him about my girlfriend's school, he was decidedly uninterested in looking into it, even though I explained that I would be happy to handle the tech support.) >Foothill? (something at Foothill College?) Swapmeet, I think. Someday, I'll be able to go. >HMR? -- Global recycling (mostly sending "obsolete" technology overseas where it magically becomes hot stuff again. Open to the public on Fridays.) Definitely goodies to be had. Sometimes at not-so-good prices, sometimes at amazing prices. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 3 09:21:00 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA09829; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA27932 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA27921 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:24:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-036.ricochet.net [204.179.130.36]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA18549 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:21:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:21:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980703023606.4c9f1610@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 62 At 03:36 AM 7/3/98 -0500, you wrote: >HMR = a place in SF (haven't been there) where people think they are >donating to third-world countries, but are really donating to us Not donating; selling. HMR is a business, and makes no pretense at being a goody-two-shoes. (Where did that phrase come from, anyway?) Unlike CRC. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From fmc@reanimators.org Fri Jul 3 09:58:20 1998 Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23495; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id JAA27144; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id JAA26662; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 09:52:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807031652.JAA26662@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: "Doug Coward" Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 References: <19980702205347.010a4ced.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 03 Jul 1998 09:52:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Doug Coward"'s message of Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:53:47 -0700 Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 63 Doug Coward quoted me: > >(c) So...fine, here's a time and place for all us Bay Areans to > > argue over: Second Thursday, 09 July 1998, 7:00 PM, El Paso Cafe, > > 1407 W El Camino Real, Mountain View. Y'all can flame me about > > this in public or private, and I'm still open to change, but I want > > to announce the real time and place on 30 June. Yeah, I know, I have been lax about this. Sorry about that, I have a brain full of work crap. Prior to this I have had one piece of feedback, from Robert Arnold, saying approximately that his preference would be in San Francisco but he can make this. (Robert, feel free to correct me if I got that wrong.) > Is it better to hold this on the second Saturday in Sunnyvale (after > Foothill/CRC) or in the East Bay on the first Sunday (after Los Positas). > > And could there be a place to meet that has better PARKING and > maybe QUIETER with BOOTHS and more kinds of FOOD. Well, this is the discussion I was trying to provoke when I sent that out. Here are the guidelines I am working with. Note I recognize they are somewhat bogus. A notion that there is a higher proportion of us lot in the south bay/ south peninsula area than elsewhere. Off the top of my head I am thinking of Paul Coad, Doug Yowza, maybe Seth Morabito, Doug Coward (though I have since been told that he's something more like in the east bay area), three or four folks who aren't on this list (or classiccmp) but may be interested, and of course me. But that doesn't require us to stick to the south bay if there's interest in moving around. Weekends and weeknights are better than weekdays, especially for the people coming from outside the local area. It's not clear to me which of weekends and weeknights is better though I have some preference for weekends if I am outside the local area. It's a social event, so there should be food and drink. My preferences are good, cheap, filling, fast in that order. El Paso Cafe has a limited selection but most folks I know can go in there, get fed'n'watered, like it, not have too big a dent in the wallet afterwards, and there is at least one no-meat entree. Also some of us had been there so maybe know where to find it. And if we get started earlier we can sit out on the patio where there aren't TVs. No ties to other events (swap meets, BACHP presentations, VCF organizational, whatever) because those often go on longer than planned or advertised and sometimes involve social events of their own. I do realize that they make for double-headers for those of y'all who are not local, so feel free to tell me that my priorities are screwed up. Announce on the classiccmp list, to see if we draw in any lurkers. Also to encourage other folks in other areas to try the same thing. ... I think the real goal is to provide a forum for real-time face-to-face discussion about pretty much whatever is on our minds w/r/t computer collecting and historical preservation and so forth, and so we get to see each other's faces when we're not concentrating on the junk piled all around. However, I am not real keen on it turning into the VCF organizational meeting. Not that I think talk about VCF should be prohibited -- running ideas up the flagpole to solicit interest, input, and/or help is one of the things that I hope will be happening. But I don't want VCF (or anything else) to monopolize the meetings to exclusion of other folks' head trips. > Just kidding Frank Hey, no problem! You didn't seem to like the El Paso when we were there, and I wasn't too sure why except for something you said about the chicken not having any bones in it, so I wasn't sure if you were trying to pull my chain with references that don't make any sense to me or what. Now I know. So where do *you* want to get dinner? -Frank McConnell From rax@warbaby.com Fri Jul 3 10:31:40 1998 Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18188; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.134.227.148] (ppp-asft05--148.sirius.net [205.134.227.148]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id KAA27792; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199807031652.JAA26662@daemonweed.reanimators.org> References: "Doug Coward"'s message of Thu, 02 Jul 1998 20:53:47 -0700 <19980702205347.010a4ced.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Jul 1998 10:41:53 -0800 To: "Doug Coward" From: Rax Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 Cc: Sam Ismail, Jacob Ritorto, Frank McConnell, Roger Louis Sinasohn, Seth Morabito, Greg Troutman, George Lin, Larry Anderson, Paul Coad, Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 64 Frank commented: >Prior to this I have had one piece of feedback, from Robert Arnold, >saying approximately that his preference would be in San Francisco >but he can make this. (Robert, feel free to correct me if I got that >wrong.) > It's only a mild preference and needn't be considered seriously in location plans. Since I'm a freelancer, I can usually adjust my schedule to fit whatever works for everyone else (unless I'm swamped and trying to meed a deadline). P'raps rotating the location might be the best solution to keeping everyone happy. R. BTW - Could someone post more details - time and directions - to the swap meets and other sources for goodies that you've been discussing.? BTW#2 - Y'all prolly know about it, but there's a tacky little flea market on Mission St. here in SF on Sundays that usually has a lot of computer junk - mostly uninteresting 386 and Mac stuff, but there are occasional finds to be had. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 4 20:28:13 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06543; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01542 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01537 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:31:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id UAA02053 for baccl@retronet.net; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:20:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id UAA01429; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 20:04:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807050304.UAA01429@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Weird Stuff bid sale report References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 04 Jul 1998 20:04:10 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Sat, 4 Jul 1998 16:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 65 Sam Ismail wrote (in classiccmp): > [...] The main unit incorporates > the CRT, an 8-inch drive mouted vertically next to the CRT, and a 6-slot > card cage mounted horizontally underneath the CRT. It has an external > keyboard. This pretty much describes the beige monitor thingy that I saw in the Weird Stuff bid sale area. It was still there today and Paul Coad and I took a closer look. There are some empty Multibus slots at the bottom, no keyboard that I noticed, and no front cover for the Multibus slots. Instead I think there are a couple of graphics tablets piled on top. Furthermore, I spent part of yesterday afternoon staring at some old Intel manuals and they also ID'd it as an Intellec Series II MDS. I've never seen one in beige before though. ... What else is in the Weird Stuff bid sale area? Nothing that I felt inclined to bid on this time, but then the car is still full of the HP gear I picked up last time. There are a couple of lots of about one Apple //gs system each (one looked like it had no keyboard and I didn't investigate closely), and another lot that is an NEC tower that might be a dual-processor MIPS system raided of disks and RAM. Oh, and there is a Printronix printer of some sort, might be of interest to DEC types but I don't know enough DEC to tell whether it's suitable. Some other guy there overheard Paul and I talking about old Suns and made a point of butting in to see if we would be interested in an Opus Personal Mainframe, which I gather is about a SPARCstation 1 clone. He said he might be taking it to the Las Positas sale tomorrow. ... Outside the bid sale area I managed to score a DIO-bus GPIO i/f for HP9000 series 200/300, and an original Microsoft mouse with the two buttons that look like skinny green Chiclets poking up through the front. Didn't find an i/f card for the latter though. $2.00 for the pair; they are doing a 50% sale on the as-is area stuff this weekend. -Frank McConnell From fmc@reanimators.org Sun Jul 5 13:27:50 1998 Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14158; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id NAA03317; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:20:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id NAA03484; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 13:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807052021.NAA03484@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: Sam Ismail Cc: Frank McConnell , Doug Coward , Sam Ismail , Jacob Ritorto , Roger Louis Sinasohn , Seth Morabito , Greg Troutman , George Lin , Larry Anderson , Paul Coad , Doug Yowza , Robert Arnold Subject: Re: 09 July 1998 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 05 Jul 1998 13:21:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Fri, 3 Jul 1998 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 66 Sam Ismail wrote: > I think we should alternate around the bay, not only to be nice to those > from differents parts but to sample the fine cuisine that our local area > offers in such bountiful measure! I think this is a good idea too, and I'm willing to be the carpool driver for other folks who want to go from the south bay. So...in the absence of other suggestions (hint hint), I'm still inclined to go ahead with El Paso Cafe on the 9th at 7:00 PM, next location and time to be determined but expected to be elsewhere. If anyone really wants a change of venue and/or time, say so before noon Monday. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 6 17:22:48 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05634; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:22:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA03689 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA03684 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:26:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:36:01 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:36:00 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 17:06:48 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Los Positas last sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980706173601.14ef7168.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 67 I found a great deal on 28 pin zero insertion force sockets last sunday. This guy was selling packs of 10 for $2.00. I bought 100. I'm thinking about building some EPROM cartridges for different machines (like the Sorcerer and the Vectrex) for people that don't have any cartridges. If anyone knows of a cheap (meaning less that $20.00 each) source of (Vector like) prototyping boards with at least 30 edge contacts spaced at .1" please let me know. I also picked up an Intel MCS-48 user manual and in the back it had about 5 pages and a command summary for the PROMPT 48 thats been sitting in my dining room for months. Now all I need is to find some 8748 EPROM/cpus. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu Mon Jul 6 22:30:42 1998 Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu (root@lists3.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.3]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA21431; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id WAA29353; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:28:54 -0700 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id WAA46074 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:28:42 -0700 Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id WAA27241 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:28:41 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id WAA06729 for classiccmp@u.washington.edu; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id WAA05364; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 22:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807070523.WAA05364@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Date: 06 Jul 1998 22:23:20 -0700 Reply-To: classiccmp@u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Frank McConnell To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" Subject: SF Bay Area Get-together Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 68 A while back, I wrote: >(c) So...fine, here's a time and place for all us Bay Areans to > argue over: Second Thursday, 09 July 1998, 7:00 PM, El Paso Cafe, > 1407 W El Camino Real, Mountain View. Y'all can flame me about > this in public or private, and I'm still open to change, but I want > to announce the real time and place on 30 June. Well, I got busy, then there was some argument, and as near as I can tell all that came out of that argument was that it would probably be a good idea to move the meeting around the Bay Area to give more folks an opportunity to attend. Sounds like a good idea to me, but for now.... When: 09 July 1998, 7:00 PM Where: El Paso Cafe, 1407 W El Camino Real, Mountain View, CA What: random discussion over dinner How to get there: >From US 101: Take the Rengstorff Avenue exit in Mountain View and go west/south toward the hills. Stay on Rengstorff for a while. You'll cross railroad tracks and then you want to start counting traffic lights: cross streets at the lights are California, Latham, El Camino Real and you want to turn left (from either of two lanes) on El Camino Real. The second light on El Camino Real is El Monte. After you cross El Monte you should look on your right for a Comfort Inn; parking for El Paso Cafe is on the street to your right just about anywhere after the Comfort Inn. >From I280: I think you want to take the El Monte Road exit and go east/north toward the Bay. El Monte will come out on El Camino Real, but it takes a while (you'll go through several traffic lights and a residential area where El Monte road narrows down to two lanes). Once you get to El Camino Real you should turn right and start looking on your right for the Comfort Inn and then look to park on the street anywhere after it. I'd appreciate an e-mailed RSVP if you haven't already sent one, just so I have some idea how big a table to look for. I'm probably going to try for an outdoor table on the patio in back; feel free to stop at the bar and get a drink before you go looking for us. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 8 01:35:53 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA13271; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA05230 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA05225 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 01:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA05303 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:35:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 03:35:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: <199807050304.UAA01429@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 69 On 4 Jul 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > This pretty much describes the beige monitor thingy that I saw in the > Weird Stuff bid sale area. It was still there today and Paul Coad and > I took a closer look. There are some empty Multibus slots at the > bottom, no keyboard that I noticed, and no front cover for the > Multibus slots. Instead I think there are a couple of graphics > tablets piled on top. > > Furthermore, I spent part of yesterday afternoon staring at some old > Intel manuals and they also ID'd it as an Intellec Series II MDS. > I've never seen one in beige before though. I looked at it today. It has a little "intel" badge on it, and has an 8085 on the CPU card. I hope somebody with more space than me bid on it. BTW, I've got a spare Intel 386 SBC (Multibus-II) that I'd be happy to trade away to any Intel collectors. I also recently dug up a copy of an Intel hypercube simulator that I used back when I was playing around with an iPSC-1. I'm tempted to create a retro-warez site for stuff with unknown copyright status like this. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 8 20:43:31 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08023; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06157 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:47:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06152 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:47:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rax@warbaby.com) Received: from [205.134.227.79] (ppp-asft02--059.sirius.net [205.134.227.59]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id UAA00702 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 20:53:26 -0800 To: baccl@retronet.net From: Rax Subject: Want List Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 70 Just adding my want list to the files - Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it) I don't have the space (or the knowledge) to collect big iron, so my want list is limited to early personal computers. But...I'm also interested in other vintage technology - radios, recording equipment, tube amps, synthesizers, early electric guitars etc. Specific computer wants at the moment include a Sol, Commodore 128 (I know they're common as dirt, but I haven't found a really nice one yet), power supplies and monitors for C-64s, Apple ][ and Kaypro software. Of course, I wouldn't mind a cheap Apple 1 or an Altair... There's probably a lot of other stuff, but that's all I can think of at the moment. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 9 10:08:06 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28023; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06867 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:11:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06862 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 10:11:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-254.ricochet.net [204.179.128.254]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA00270 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:07:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 12:07:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980708171917.392f035e@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Friday 7/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 71 Does anyone want to get together on Friday for a trip to HMR and possible eats? Bruce Lane is in town and wants to hit there. (I have to get home and check messages to confirm details, but let me know if you're interested.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 11 17:31:27 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07518; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA11324 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA11319 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 17:35:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA04321 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:31:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:31:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: S-100 systems available In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 72 I got a SBC from a guy at foothill today, and I'll probably stop by his place tomorrow to pick up the docs. He's got two California Computer System S-100 boxes and docs that he wants to sell (cheap). I may canabalize them for S-100 cards unless somebody else wants the complete systems. He's in Saratoga, so you can either get them directly from him or I can pick them up and drag them to Sam's thing on Sunday. I've seen the systems, and they're smaller than an IMSAI, but larger than a KIMSAI. I think one has a Z80 and the other an 8080. Both have extender cards to facilitate hacking. He also had both 8" and 5.25" external floppies for them. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 11 19:54:57 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA03867; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:54:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA11456 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:59:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA11451 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:58:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:19:43 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:19:42 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 19:50:23 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980711201943.0ac4799d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 73 At 07:31 PM 7/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > I can pick them up and drag them to Sam's thing on Sunday. What Sam thing on Sunday? I have to work. What am I missing out on? >He also had both 8" and 5.25" external floppies for them. Sam, one of the drives with these two systems COULD go with that IMSAI that you're giving away. (I told Sam that if he was giving away an IMSAI at the show, it should have disk drives or a tape interface or some way for the new owner to save programs, run BASIC, etc.). ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 11 20:21:09 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09926; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11495 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:25:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11490 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:50:56 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:50:55 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:21:35 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: PDP11/40 at WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <199807120238.TAA12456@squeep.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980711205056.0ae10dae.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 74 At 07:38 PM 7/11/98 -0700, you wrote: >I've just been informed by a friend that I missed out on a PDP-11/40 >at WeirdStuff! Bummer. This is the first week that I have not stopped there in about two months. I'd like to spot one for you. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 11 20:25:46 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15900; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11511 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:29:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11506 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:29:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA29462 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:25:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:25:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: <19980711201943.0ac4799d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 75 On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > At 07:31 PM 7/11/98 -0500, you wrote: > > I can pick them up and drag them to Sam's thing on Sunday. > > What Sam thing on Sunday? I have to work. What am I missing out > on? Free lunch: << You are all cordially invited to attend the VCF2 Kick-off Planning Meeting. The meeting is at the Chili's in Milpitas on the 237 between 580 and 880. Its on the southside of 237 just east of 880. As is traditional, I buy lunch for whomever attends. At this meeting we basically discuss ideas and plan for the event, as well as assign tasks to those who wish to take part directly in the event. Of course, anyone who attends these meetings gets into VCF free. This year's VCF is going to be *HOT*! Free lunch + Free admission = Can't be beat I'll see you there this Sunday at 3:00PM. Please RSVP so I know how many of you to expect. >> From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 11 20:31:43 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17343; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11534 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:35:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA11529 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 20:35:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA30243 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:31:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 22:31:29 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: PDP11/40 at WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <19980711205056.0ae10dae.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 76 On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > At 07:38 PM 7/11/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I've just been informed by a friend that I missed out on a PDP-11/40 > >at WeirdStuff! > > Bummer. This is the first week that I have not stopped there in > about two months. I'd like to spot one for you. I'm only a few minutes from WS, so I try to get there once a week or so. I haven't seen any PDP-11's, but there have been a bunch of VAXen recently, and there's still a MicroVAX sitting there (as of this morning). I didn't see anything interesting in the bid sale area this week, but I'm sure Frank will tell me about all of the cool things I overlooked. BTW, Halted has a few Heathkit digital trainers and one analog trainer. Not very collectible, but if you're a software weenie hardware wannabe like me, they might be useful to help train for those many inevitable repairs you'll have to do (sans the high current). -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sun Jul 12 00:24:26 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24482; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA11766 for baccl-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11761 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:28:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA25875 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:24:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 02:24:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 77 On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Hmmm...good idea. Doug, how much is the guy asking for the drives? He seemed willing to sell just about anything for $20 max. It was a dual-floppy system that looks like it might fit nicely with an IMSAI, but... I'm no S-100 wiz, but do you have boot floppies? Isn't the BIOS on the disk for a specific set of cards? If you pull all of the cards out of the CCS (or whatever system the floppies went with) and stuck them in the IMSAI, I suppose you'd have a chance of booting CCS CP/M on the IMSAI. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sun Jul 12 15:24:18 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25345; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12548 for baccl-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:28:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA12543 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:28:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:54:19 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:54:17 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:24:42 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Heathkit digital trainers In-Reply-To: References: <19980711205056.0ae10dae.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980712155419.0ef80277.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 78 At 10:31 PM 7/11/98 -0500, you wrote: >BTW, Halted has a few Heathkit digital trainers and one analog trainer. I saw those. Went over there after lunch,after CRC,after Foothill. But they had some ridiculous price like $25-$30. I did think to ask if they had the 8748 (the eprom version of the 8048) I've been looking for. They did. $8.75 each. "Cool! Looks like 40 pin EPROMs". ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sun Jul 12 16:56:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA19271; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12633 for baccl-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12628 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:27:02 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:27:02 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 16:57:25 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980712172702.0f4cebb8.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 79 At 02:24 AM 7/12/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >but... I'm no S-100 wiz, but do you have boot floppies? Isn't the BIOS >on the disk for a specific set of cards? If you pull all of the cards out >of the CCS (or whatever system the floppies went with) and stuck them in >the IMSAI, I suppose you'd have a chance of booting CCS CP/M on the >IMSAI. S-100 is a standard in hardware and CP/M is a standard in software. That mean (AFAIK) there are just a few variables. Disk size - 8",5 1/4",3 1/2" which would be determined by the size of the boot disk selected. Density - Double or Single which means the controller density should match the boot disk's density (A double density controller should not have a problem reading and writting to a single density disk BUT it probably would not be able to boot from it.) Sectoring - Hard or Soft Best to stick with soft. It is also best to stick with the boards of one manufacturer or to be sure that there is no conflicts between board using "special" pin assignments (not part of the S-100 standard.) I have a two volume set that covers all of Godbout/CompuPro boards from 1975-1982. I think if we got every thing together in one place, we could get it run in an afternoon. This could be FUN. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sun Jul 12 17:43:36 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA25839; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA12679 for baccl-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12674 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:47:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19036 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:41:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 19:41:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: <19980712172702.0f4cebb8.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 80 On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > S-100 is a standard in hardware and CP/M is a standard in software. Just to demonstrate that I have no qualms arguing about things I know little about: S-100 is only a standard at the signal level, not the I/O device level, and the thing that glues CP/M to the devices on the S-100 bus is the disk-loaded (sometimes, but rarely ROM'd) CBIOS. The main variable is the disk controller, so if you have a BIOS supplied by the disk controller maker, you should be OK (but I'm not sure about BIOS support for serial devices, for example). I've been meaning to roll my own CP/M BIOS for a no-name S-100 box I have, but it's not high on my list yet. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sun Jul 12 22:35:58 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA26167; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA12942 for baccl-outgoing; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA12937 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 22:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA31541 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:35:43 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 00:35:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 81 One of the topics at today's VCF meeting was security (if you missed it, Sam bought food for all 85 participants, and then took us all to Great America, which he chartered for the evening, but I think the next meeting will be more modest). As somebody who will be showing portables, this worries me a bit. Both theft and damage will be pretty facile events, and I understand that Sam is making this thing free to anybody 17 or under, so bubble gum is a concern too. Since portables can be pretty fragile, damage is a bigger concern than out-right theft. So, I'm thinking about locked-down display cases. Can you rent such things? Would it detract from the exhibit? I can't imagine people wanting to sit down and program on these things, but if I were able to watch people, then touchy-feely might be cool. Looking at pix of last year's event, it looks like stuff was just lined up and people walked by them gawking wthout anybody around to tell their story. Is this how it worked? If not, then I'm thinking about trying to get my exhibit limited to a single table, so people can come up, check out the machines interactively, and ask questions about them. More trade-show style than museum style. Will the exhibits be intermixed with the vendor booths? That might be cool. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 11:54:58 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12337; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA13651 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13646 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:03 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:25:02 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 11:55:11 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <19980712172702.0f4cebb8.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980713122503.135ef349.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 82 At 07:41 PM 7/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > >> S-100 is a standard in hardware and CP/M is a standard in software. > >Just to demonstrate that I have no qualms arguing about things I know >little about: S-100 is only a standard at the signal level, not the I/O >device level, and the thing that glues CP/M to the devices on the S-100 >bus is the disk-loaded (sometimes, but rarely ROM'd) CBIOS. > >The main variable is the disk controller, so if you have a BIOS supplied >by the disk controller maker, you should be OK (but I'm not sure about >BIOS support for serial devices, for example). > >I've been meaning to roll my own CP/M BIOS for a no-name S-100 box I have, >but it's not high on my list yet. You're right, I was talking out my butt again. I dug out a copy of the CP/M Alteration Guide last night. And if you don't have a CP/M disk supplied by your's manufacturer then you need to modify the bios yourself to talk to your controller and serial device. And if you were unfortunate enough to not have access to another working CP/M system to do the modifications on, then you had to write a loader to load CP/M into memory so you could do the modifications and another program to write it back to disk. I guess after deciding which disk controller to use, we could check with Don Maslin to see if he has CP/M system disk modified for that controller. But I could be wrong. I need a vacation! ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 12:52:39 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25439; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:05:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13677 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:09:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13672 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:09:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA29043 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:05:06 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:05:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: <19980713122503.135ef349.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 83 On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I guess after deciding which disk controller to use, we could > check with Don Maslin to see if he has CP/M system disk modified > for that controller. But I could be wrong. I need a vacation! In addition to the disk system, I gave Sam a CCS 2200 (?) box that looked like it had the disk controller for those disks, and two boxes of docs and disks, so hopefully he has all the parts he needs if he pulls the disk controller and MIO board out of the CCS and drops them into the IMSAI. I'm sure there are some collectors that would rather have an IMSAI with just the front-panel and original IMSAI CPU card + RAM than a complete working hybrid, but it's always easier to take stuff out than to put it in. Speaking of CPU cards, does the IMSAI have the original CPU card? If not, then you may have a hard time finding a CPU card that will work with the front-panel (and it would be a drag to have an IMSAI with a non-working front-panel). -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 12:53:48 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA29367; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA13726 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13721 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:05 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:24:05 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 12:54:14 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <19980713122503.135ef349.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980713132405.13950413.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 84 At 02:05 PM 7/13/98 -0500, you wrote: > and two boxes of docs and >disks, so hopefully he has all the parts he needs if he pulls the disk >controller and MIO board out of the CCS and drops them into the IMSAI. Disks? Alright! >I'm sure there are some collectors that would rather have an IMSAI with >just the front-panel and original IMSAI CPU card + RAM than a complete >working hybrid, but it's always easier to take stuff out than to put it >in. I have an original IMSAI mother board in the garage. It was not inside the system it came with because as it was explained to me "they were crap" and everyone replaced them. Personally I would much rather have a working system than a original system. >Speaking of CPU cards, does the IMSAI have the original CPU card? If not, >then you may have a hard time finding a CPU card that will work with the >front-panel (and it would be a drag to have an IMSAI with a non-working >front-panel). I maybe wrong but I thought that any CPU board that had the empty 14 (16?) pin DIP socket for the front panel to plug into, would work with the front panel. I need to check on that. I have two running front panel systems at home and I don't think either one has a "IMSAI" CPU. Yes Sam, I would like to get the cover of one of the IMSAIs painted. It's seen alot of use. But I don't know when I could drop it off. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 13:02:16 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08971; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13752 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13747 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:06:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17185 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:01:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:01:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday In-Reply-To: <19980713132405.13950413.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 85 On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I have an original IMSAI mother board in the garage. It was not > inside the system it came with because as it was explained to > me "they were crap" and everyone replaced them. Personally I > would much rather have a working system than a original system. I've got one IMSAI with the original mobo, and another with a TEI mobo, and the TEI does look like it's better designed. I still haven't gone beyond the no-load power test on the real IMSAI since the mobo voltage labels don't remotely match the voltages I'm reading! > I maybe wrong but I thought that any CPU board that had the empty > 14 (16?) pin DIP socket for the front panel to plug into, would > work with the front panel. I need to check on that. I have two > running front panel systems at home and I don't think either one > has a "IMSAI" CPU. I think you're right, but I've only seen that front-panel socket on IMSAI and Ithaca Audio CPU cards, not on most others. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 13:11:07 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12166; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13774 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from squeep.com (yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13769 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA15286 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199807132015.NAA15286@squeep.com> Subject: IMSAI stuff To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19980713132405.13950413.in@mail.pressstart.com> from "Doug Coward" at Jul 13, 98 12:54:14 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 86 > > Yes Sam, I would like to get the cover of one of the IMSAIs > painted. It's seen alot of use. But I don't know when I could > drop it off. > Speaking of painting, does anyone know the color used for the original IMSAI blue? I have a few scratches on mine I'd like to take care of... Also, I don't know if this'll help anyone or not, but I do have both the original IMSAI "MICROCOMPUTER SYSTEM" manual, and the "8080 MICROCOMPUTER SYSTEM USER MANUAL", with full schematics and 'Build-it-from-a-kit' instructions. I can't donate them to VCF (sorry Sam!), but if anyone here needs to borrow them, please feel free. -Seth From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 13:29:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA19121; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA13800 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA13795 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:33:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id NAA23656 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:20:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id NAA05949; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:07:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807132007.NAA05949@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 13 Jul 1998 13:07:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: Doug Yowza's message of Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:05:03 -0500 (CDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 87 Doug Yowza wrote: > Speaking of CPU cards, does the IMSAI have the original CPU card? If not, > then you may have a hard time finding a CPU card that will work with the > front-panel (and it would be a drag to have an IMSAI with a non-working > front-panel). The CCS Z80 card is one such, and I know I've seen others. Gave me a Learning Experience in 1989 when I tried to run one on an IEEE-696 motherboard -- the bus signal that MITS used to indicate "get the data from the front panel switches" is active low and is defined as ground by 696. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 13:57:52 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA29438; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13839 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:02:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13834 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:01:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:28:13 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:28:13 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:58:21 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: IMSAI stuff In-Reply-To: <199807132015.NAA15286@squeep.com> References: <19980713132405.13950413.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980713142813.13cfbce3.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 88 At 01:15 PM 7/13/98 -0700, Seth wrote: >Speaking of painting, does anyone know the color used for the original >IMSAI blue? I have a few scratches on mine I'd like to take care of... I always planed on just taking the cover down to a paint store one day and have them use THEIR COMPUTER to determine the color of paint needed. But Sam says they are powder coated. >Also, I don't know if this'll help anyone or not, but I do have both the >original IMSAI "MICROCOMPUTER SYSTEM" manual, and the "8080 MICROCOMPUTER >SYSTEM USER MANUAL", with full schematics and 'Build-it-from-a-kit' >instructions. I can't donate them to VCF (sorry Sam!), but if anyone >here needs to borrow them, please feel free. I have the IMSAI manual too. What a great idea. We could make up a copy of a real manual to go with it. The front of the manual is just a blue on white page inserted into the cover of the binder. Color copy it. The rest is just black and white pages. Doug Y. said: >Since portables can be pretty fragile, damage is a bigger concern than >out-right theft. So, I'm thinking about locked-down display cases. Can >you rent such things? Would it detract from the exhibit? I can't imagine >people wanting to sit down and program on these things, but if I were able >to watch people, then touchy-feely might be cool. I was worried about the same things last year. I brought my Altair 8800 and a H-8 both with the top covers removed. I when to TAP Plastic about 3 days before the show to get a couple of clear display cases. They wanted 2 weeks to build them so I bought the parts (they could cut the pieces right away) for 2 5 sided boxes measuring 10"x19"x19" for about $75 and assembled them myself. Worked great. I removed the covers a couple of time when I noticed someone trying to take a picture, but other than that I think people liked to be able to see inside and I felt they were protected. I still have the display boxes. I don't think we had any problem with people playing with the machines except Sam's Cromemco C-1 (right Sam?) At the same time, sadly we had few machines that people could play with. It would be great if we had the people to demonstrate a different machine every hour. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 14:02:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13485; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13866 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:06:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13857 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:06:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg-20425418-127.ricochet.net [204.254.18.127]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16055 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:02:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:02:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980713131013.48ffbbfe@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 89 At 12:48 AM 7/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >plan to have more placards next to the computers giving a little >background of the machine. Roger designed a template for me that I was >too pussy to open up when he sent it because my anti-virus software came >up with an alert saying the Word documents were infected with that dumb >Word macro-worm. Anyway, I'd like to start working on that, get everybody >a copy of the template and then have you all start filling in the blanks >so we have a uniform data sheet to display next to each computer. Anyone know anything about viruii? McAfee says I'm clean. (I picked up another pgm last week, but haven't had a chance to install it yet.) Another TAP item might be plastic holders for the placards: _ // // <-- paper goes inbetween the /'s /___ Dunno what they'd cost in bulk, but I can't imagine they'd be too much. How many machines will be on display? I am shooting for 20-25 portables. Is anyone keeping track of what people are bringing so as not to duplicate any? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 14:02:13 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01185; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13865 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:06:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13854 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:06:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg-20425418-127.ricochet.net [204.254.18.127]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA16037 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:02:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:02:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980713125648.3b6fecf4@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 90 At 12:35 AM 7/13/98 -0500, you wrote: >One of the topics at today's VCF meeting was security (if you missed it, >Sam bought food for all 85 participants, and then took us all to Great >America, which he chartered for the evening, but I think the next meeting Drat. I knew I shouldn't have scheduled the private concert of the Magic Flute (by the Merola Opera Program) and the one day per year of sunshine we're allotted here in the city for yesterday. 8^) >Since portables can be pretty fragile, damage is a bigger concern than >out-right theft. So, I'm thinking about locked-down display cases. Can I think most collectors (myself excepted -- who has that flat cat? 8^) are pretty honest, but I could see a teeny bopper thinking that a Dauphin would make a great portable Doom machine... >you rent such things? Would it detract from the exhibit? I can't imagine >people wanting to sit down and program on these things, but if I were able >to watch people, then touchy-feely might be cool. I think maybe having a few machines that people could play with/touch, and the rest protected? (Gotta let people feel a GRiD for example) Perhaps TAP Plastics could do up a bunch of clear covers for not too much? >Looking at pix of last year's event, it looks like stuff was just lined up >and people walked by them gawking wthout anybody around to tell their Pretty much, yep. >Will the exhibits be intermixed with the vendor booths? That might be >cool. I thought Sam was going to have a separate area for the exhibits (did last year), but perhaps a few displays in the vendor area isn't such a bad idea. (Maybe vendor, vendor, exhibit, vendor, vendor, exhibit...) > >-- Doug > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 15:28:51 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA03779; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA14062 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14057 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id PAA23908 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:20:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id PAA10184; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:19:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807132219.PAA10184@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 13 Jul 1998 15:19:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 91 Sam Ismail wrote: > So what happened exactly? Could you explain in a little more detail what > the problem and the fix was? Well, the problem was that I plugged it all together and it didn't work. I didn't understand this, being kind of new to S-100 stuff at the time. But I started reading the schematic and poking at it with a scope, trying to figure out what was going wrong. I can't remember entirely what I did to work it out beyond looking at what the signals were. First I realized that the data bus was constant and didn't reflect the ROM'd monitor contents, then I figured it out: it wasn't seeing the ROM'd monitor because whichever bus line was grounded -- that made the card look to the front panel connector for its data, to the exclusion of all else (monitor ROM, RAM, whatever). Eventually I got around to looking it up in a book on IEEE-696 and found that this line had been defined as ground in 696. How'd I fix it? I stuck a piece of tape over that pin on the card edge. Crude but effective, it made the system come up and do stuff (right stuff, too) on the terminal. Then I moved to California and quit fiddling with trying to learn about hardware. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 16:08:24 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02287; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14101 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:03:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14096 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id PAA23950 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:50:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id PAA10519; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807132227.PAA10519@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: IMSAI stuff References: <199807132015.NAA15286@squeep.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 13 Jul 1998 15:27:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Seth J. Morabito"'s message of Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 92 "Seth J. Morabito" wrote: > Speaking of painting, does anyone know the color used for the original > IMSAI blue? I have a few scratches on mine I'd like to take care of... Y'know, at some point in time I may have somewhere between 0 and 4 that need doing -- I need to look at them and see how beat up they are. So Sam -- is your friend open to the possibility of doing another batch later on? I'm not going to get to this real soon. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 16:29:07 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22661; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14137 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14132 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:33:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id QAA24005 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id QAA12044; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:22:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807132322.QAA12044@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Thursday night and More collectors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 13 Jul 1998 16:22:13 -0700 Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 93 OK, so last Thursday about six folks got together at the El Paso Cafe and yakked about whatever. Attendance report, in approximate order of arrival: Stan Sieler Gavin Scott Frank McConnell Edwin El-Kareh Robert Arnold Stephen Chen Paul Coad called to say he couldn't make it, due to a sudden and severe attack of gainful employment. I think the event of the evening was that Eddie brought door prizes from his discard pile, with the threat that anything unclaimed would be tossed. Most of this was databooks, manuals, and software, as well as a couple of largish dot-matrix printers. There wasn't a lot of fighting over the result, and I think about 50% of the stuff went back with him (though I think he's going to hang onto it for another go-round if we can get more folks to show). ... Of the attendees, Stan, Gavin, Eddie, and Stephen are not on classiccmp or on this list; I sent the announcement to Stan, Eddie and Stephen. Stan was on classiccmp for about a week and unsubscribed due to volume -- he just does not have time for it. I told them I'd get instructions for subscribing to this list. I suspect it's something like "subscribe baccl
" sent to Majordomo@retronet.net but figured I should ask first. Brief intros written by me: Stan Sieler and Gavin Scott are other HP3000 people. I think I got Stan hooked on computer collecting -- we went to a CRC sale a while back (shortly after the move to Mead Ave.) and he saw a C64 and expressed interest. I looked more closely at it and said "looks like there's enough here to make a system" so he bought it. And I guess he found he couldn't stop at just one. No, I have no idea what is in his collection. Gavin says he collects by buying and never getting rid of things, which I think means he's a sucker for high-tech gadgets. I know he's got a bunch of palmtop doodads, most bought when they were new and hot. On Thursday, he expressed misgivings for having upgraded his Lisa to a Mac XL and later trading it in on a Mac Plus way back when. Edwin El-Kareh is Secretary for the Perham Foundation and Tactical Director for CHAC. Somehow this makes him Schlepper of Stuff for both organizations, and so he sees a lot of this stuff go by. So do I, because I sometimes work as his assistant in these endeavors. Stephen Chen is this guy I used to work with at Wollongong. He's got some PS/2s and Apple ][-family machines that I know of. Also a couple of Atari stand-up arcade games, which I think is about all his wife will let him keep. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 16:37:45 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27986; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA14160 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:41:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA14155 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:41:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcoad@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA27878 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 16:37:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: IMSAI stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 94 On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > > > >Speaking of painting, does anyone know the color used for the original > > >IMSAI blue? I have a few scratches on mine I'd like to take care of... > > > > I always planed on just taking the cover down to a paint store > > one day and have them use THEIR COMPUTER to determine the color > > of paint needed. But Sam says they are powder coated. > > Well, you COULD spray paint it, but it looks much better powder-coated. > And yes, the original case is powder-coated. > What is powder-coated? Is this some sort of textured paint job? --pec (IMSAI-less, and paint-challenged) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 18:05:19 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05244; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14272 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:09:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14267 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:09:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:35:44 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:35:43 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:05:51 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: IEEE 696 In-Reply-To: <199807132219.PAA10184@daemonweed.reanimators.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980713183544.14b25ff9.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 95 At 03:19 PM 7/13/98 -0700, Frank wrote: >Sam Ismail wrote: >> So what happened exactly? Could you explain in a little more detail what >> the problem and the fix was? > >Well, the problem was that I plugged it all together and it didn't >work. I didn't understand this, being kind of new to S-100 stuff at >the time. > >But I started reading the schematic and poking at it with a scope, >trying to figure out what was going wrong. I can't remember entirely >what I did to work it out beyond looking at what the signals were. >First I realized that the data bus was constant and didn't reflect the >ROM'd monitor contents, then I figured it out: it wasn't seeing the >ROM'd monitor because whichever bus line was grounded -- that made the >card look to the front panel connector for its data, to the exclusion >of all else (monitor ROM, RAM, whatever). > >Eventually I got around to looking it up in a book on IEEE-696 and >found that this line had been defined as ground in 696. > >How'd I fix it? I stuck a piece of tape over that pin on the card >edge. Crude but effective, it made the system come up and do stuff >(right stuff, too) on the terminal. > >Then I moved to California and quit fiddling with trying to learn >about hardware. > >-Frank McConnell > I was reading about this last night. The only disk controller manual I could find was for the Godbout DISK 1. It had a note about using it in front panel machines. It seem that when the IMSAI was designed other manufacturers were already producing RAM board with a write protect feature. The write protect flip-flop was controlled by bus pin 20 (Unprotect). When grounded, the RAM board was write protected. So in the design of the front panel pin 20 is pulled high with a resistor and they used this pin as the enable for the front panel. So if you write protected ram, you also disabled the front panel. Later, pin 20 was defined as being ground as part of the standard. This must be the pin Frank put tape over. The DISK 1 manual just recommended cutting the circuit trace to pin 20 on the front panel circuit board (Eeeck!) Frank, I would have sneaked out of work early on Thursday, but it just slipped my mind. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 18:40:54 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05845; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA14311 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14306 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rax@warbaby.com) Received: from [205.134.227.61] (ppp-asft08--229.sirius.net [205.134.227.229]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id SAA08279 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.16.19980713131013.48ffbbfe@mail.sinasohn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 18:50:41 -0800 To: baccl@retronet.net From: Rax Subject: Re: Sam's thing on Sunday Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 96 >> Another TAP item might be plastic holders for the placards: >> _ >> // >> // <-- paper goes inbetween the /'s >> /___ > >Great idea. My wife bought a couple of these a few weeks back and I >thought they would be perfect. However, they cost $7 each retail. I >would definitely like to get these jobbies if I can get them for a buck a >piece wholesale. > Hey Sam - I think I've got a bunch of those plastic card holders stashed away in my garage. Tomorrow I'll go take a look and see if I can find them. If I've still got them, they're yours. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 13 23:17:52 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06485; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA14529 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA14524 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 23:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg137-076.ricochet.net [204.179.137.76]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA08705 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:18:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 01:18:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980713223401.456705c4@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: VCF Portables (was: Sam's thing on Sunday) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 97 At 02:30 PM 7/13/98 -0700, you wrote: >Great idea. My wife bought a couple of these a few weeks back and I >thought they would be perfect. However, they cost $7 each retail. I >would definitely like to get these jobbies if I can get them for a buck a I'll see what I can dig up. Any idea of how many we'd need? >I'm supposed to be doing that, and so far only you and Doug S. may have >the conflict as you are both bringing portables, so you two should >coordinate with each other. All the other exhibitors (about 10 now) have >discrete collections to display. Okay, So Doug, head's up -- here's sorta my list of what I was thinking of bringing: Altima 2 Amstrad PPC640 Mac Portable DG 1 Epson HX-20 GRiD Compass 1101 HP 75d IBM PC Radio NEC 8201A | RS m100 | K-85 Toshiba T1100+ Toshiba T5200 AST PenExec Epson PX-8 HP 110 HP Portable Vectra CS IBM PS/2 P-70 Osborne Executive Osborne 1 NEC Starlet Osborne Vixen Outbound Notebook Panasonic Sr. Partner TRS-80 m102 trs-80 m600 trs-80 wp-2 TI CC-40 Visual Commuter If you can suggest a better selection, or whatever, let me know. btw, as yet, the PX-8, Commuter, and Vixen are not working, and the Starlet has some problems. I have yet to test (or get running) the PC Radio, PenExec, HX-20, m600, and the CC-40. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 00:25:48 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA03526; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:25:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14614 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14609 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:29:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA14456 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:25:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:25:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: VCF Portables (was: Sam's thing on Sunday) In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980713223401.456705c4@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 98 On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > Okay, So Doug, head's up -- here's sorta my list of what I was thinking of > bringing: And then what? How are these going to be displayed? I was thinking that we should have machines that are representive of the year they were produced, representitive of a certain class of portable, or are interesting in their own right. > Altima 2 Why? > Amstrad PPC640 This could either be positioned as the worst portable ever built, or we could do a mini-exhibit on non-US portables (the Hyperion, some Brits, and some Japanese might be good). > Mac Portable First true portable from Apple, good. > DG 1 Representaive of 1984 (or so). > Epson HX-20 First notebook-sized portable, good. > GRiD Compass 1101 I'll bring my 1100 (first clamshell) + GRiD accessories (including the GRiD Server from 1982) instead, OK? I'd like to do a reasonable presentation on GRiD: first laptop (in the sense of laptops we know today) the NASA connection first pen-based first pen/keyboard portable first PDA (I think the Zoomer beat the Newton to market, right?) first PC portable with built-in mouse first portable with built-in CD-ROM > HP 75d I can bring an HHC, TRS-80 PC-1, and some others if we want to do a handheld exhibit (I have about 10, I think). > IBM PC Radio Cool, I'll bring my Marco and Envoy for our portable wireless exhibit. I even have a wireless Compaq LTE and one of those secret-agent LTE cases from Halted! > NEC 8201A | RS m100 | K-85 I'll bring the missing Olivetti M10. You've got a 102, don't you? > Toshiba T1100+ OK, almost Toshiba's first, and representative of 1985? > Toshiba T5200 I think this beast might have been the first 386 laptop (at least Toshiba's first 386), right? I was thinking of bringing a T3100 and a Taiwanese clone (Chaplet). Who would have thought that such an ugly portable would be cloned? > AST PenExec Cool, I can bring several more for a pen-based slate exhibit (Momenta, GO, GRiD 1900, T100X, Concerto, Kalidor, DTR-1). > Epson PX-8 Goes well with the Starlet for a CP/M exhibit. > HP 110 First HP portable, OK. > HP Portable Vectra CS Why? > IBM PS/2 P-70 Why? > Osborne Executive Why? > Osborne 1 OK, first CP/M luggable. > NEC Starlet OK. > Osborne Vixen Cool. > Outbound Notebook Cool. > Panasonic Sr. Partner Why? > TRS-80 m102 OK. > trs-80 m600 Why? > trs-80 wp-2 OK. > TI CC-40 What is this? > Visual Commuter Cool. > If you can suggest a better selection, or whatever, let me know. btw, as > yet, the PX-8, Commuter, and Vixen are not working, and the Starlet has > some problems. I have yet to test (or get running) the PC Radio, PenExec, > HX-20, m600, and the CC-40. I have a working PX-8, Starlet, PenExec, and HX-20 which I could bring. In addition to those I mentioned above, I'll bring the IBM 5100 and the Zorba (assuming they show up in good shape). I think we should also borrow Sam's WorkSlate and Frank's IPC if they let us. What do you think about portable terminals, like the Silent 700 and the DG WalkAbout? How about single-board computers? If nobody else is doing it, it might fit with portables, sort of. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 00:43:56 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10786; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14646 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14641 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 00:48:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA18619 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:43:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 02:43:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: VCF Portables (was: Sam's thing on Sunday) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 99 I'll also bring a Commodore SX-64 and a Morrow Pivot, since I didn't see those on your list. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 09:10:04 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19717; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA15119 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate.ricochet.net (rgate1.ricochet.net [204.179.143.6]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15114 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg135-014.ricochet.net [204.179.135.14]) by rgate.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA06298 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:09:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980714090025.47ef2082@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:16:30 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: VCF Portables (was: Sam's thing on Sunday) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 100 At 02:25 AM 7/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >And then what? How are these going to be displayed? I was thinking that >we should have machines that are representive of the year they were >produced, representitive of a certain class of portable, or are >interesting in their own right. I was going for the last one with most of these. >> Altima 2 > >Why? Full-size, detachable keyboard, ISA exp. slot, a few other oddities of design. >> Amstrad PPC640 > >This could either be positioned as the worst portable ever built, or we >could do a mini-exhibit on non-US portables (the Hyperion, some Brits, and >some Japanese might be good). Worst portable? I didn't think it was that bad. Still, the design is quite unigue, what with the built-in handle on the side (as opposed to the front or back, the way most portables are.) Also, like the Altima, I think it shows the creativity that was put to work in the early days of PC portables. >> DG 1 > >Representaive of 1984 (or so). And some interesting case design and software. >> Epson HX-20 > >First notebook-sized portable, good. > >> GRiD Compass 1101 > >I'll bring my 1100 (first clamshell) + GRiD accessories (including the Sounds good. (I put this list together before I knew you would be bringing stuff.) >> HP 75d > >I can bring an HHC, TRS-80 PC-1, and some others if we want to do a >handheld exhibit (I have about 10, I think). I've got a sharp handheld, and one or two others... >> IBM PC Radio > >Cool, I'll bring my Marco and Envoy for our portable wireless exhibit. I >even have a wireless Compaq LTE and one of those secret-agent LTE cases >from Halted! > >> NEC 8201A | RS m100 | K-85 > >I'll bring the missing Olivetti M10. You've got a 102, don't you? I wasn't sure if I should bring a representative one, or one of each. >> Toshiba T1100+ > >OK, almost Toshiba's first, and representative of 1985? If I can come up with a T1100 between now and then, I'll bring that instead, of course. >> Toshiba T5200 > >I think this beast might have been the first 386 laptop (at least >Toshiba's first 386), right? I was thinking of bringing a T3100 and a I think so. Not sure about first overall, but certain Toshiba's first. Also, Gas Plasma screens are cool. >Taiwanese clone (Chaplet). Who would have thought that such an ugly >portable would be cloned? Hmmm... Does your Chaplet use a P/S with a (iirc) 5-pin Female DIN connector? If so, it may be the same as my Halikan, for which I have no P/S, so I'll have to remember to bug you for the pinouts. >> AST PenExec > >Cool, I can bring several more for a pen-based slate exhibit (Momenta, >GO, GRiD 1900, T100X, Concerto, Kalidor, DTR-1). Oooh... I think I'm beginning to hate you... 8^) Show off! >> HP Portable Vectra CS > >Why? Bizarre design. Ya gotta see it to understand. >> IBM PS/2 P-70 > >Why? IBM's first(?) PS/2 portable. MCA bus (2 slots), gas plasma display, full-size keyboard, etc. >> Osborne Executive > >Why? If someone brings an Osborne Encore, we'd have the full set. >> Panasonic Sr. Partner > >Why? Again, to show the variations that occurred during the early days of PC-Portability. The Sr. Partner is a luggable with a built-in printer. >> trs-80 m600 > >Why? First laptop with a built-in floppy drive. (iirc) >> TI CC-40 > >What is this? Handheld, kinda uncommon. >> If you can suggest a better selection, or whatever, let me know. btw, as >> yet, the PX-8, Commuter, and Vixen are not working, and the Starlet has >> some problems. I have yet to test (or get running) the PC Radio, PenExec, >> HX-20, m600, and the CC-40. > >I have a working PX-8, Starlet, PenExec, and HX-20 which I could bring. Okay. My starlet works, but the memory gets frazzled when you turn it off. Gotta fix that one of these days. >I think we should also borrow Sam's WorkSlate and Frank's IPC if they let >us. Do we hafta give 'em back? 8^) >What do you think about portable terminals, like the Silent 700 and the DG >WalkAbout? How about single-board computers? If nobody else is doing it, >it might fit with portables, sort of. Are you interested in a DG Walkabout SX? It's a (I think) 386SX laptop, kinda like the Tosh5200. I've sorta put off picking it up. I have some Random Colleague terminals. One of my worries is being able to dig up enough dirt on the machines I am bringing. I kinda think that fewer, better documented is better than lots without enough info. A lot of my machines I haven't gotten the specs on yet. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 13:00:49 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA25482; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15301 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:04:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15296 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:04:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:14:29 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:14:29 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 12:44:20 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: IMSAI cpus Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980714131429.18b2c759.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 101 >> I maybe wrong but I thought that any CPU board that had the empty >> 14 (16?) pin DIP socket for the front panel to plug into, would >> work with the front panel. I need to check on that. I have two >> running front panel systems at home and I don't think either one >> has a "IMSAI" CPU. > >When you find out let me know. Well, I looked. My disk system that runs NorthStar DOS is using a BYTE MPU board with a 8080A. And the cassette system is running a Technical Design Labs ZPU board with a Z80A. Both work fine with the front panel. To tell the truth, I don't think I've ever seen an IMSAI cpu board. >> Amstrad PPC640 > >This could either be positioned as the worst portable ever built, or we >could do a mini-exhibit on non-US portables (the Hyperion, some Brits, and >some Japanese might be good). I was suggesting to Sam that I could do a small British display consisting of Amstrad CPC464 and PPC640 Apricot F1 and F10 Sinclair ZX Spectrum,Spectrum+,and Spectrum+3 ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 13:29:54 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14776; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15336 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15331 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA15030 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:29:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:29:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: IMSAI cpus In-Reply-To: <19980714131429.18b2c759.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 102 On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I was suggesting to Sam that I could do a small British display > consisting of > Amstrad CPC464 and PPC640 > Apricot F1 and F10 > Sinclair ZX Spectrum,Spectrum+,and Spectrum+3 That'd be cool. I'll loan you one of my ZX-81 kits, if you want. (I plan to sell a few at the show.) -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 13:39:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00841; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA15359 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:44:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA15354 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 13:44:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA17442 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:39:41 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 15:39:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: VCF Portables (was: Sam's thing on Sunday) In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980714090025.47ef2082@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 103 How about breaking down the portables as follows: 1) The Historically Significant Table IBM 5100, Osborne 1, HX-20, GRiD Compass, IBM Convertible (?) 2) The Handhelds A display case would pretty much be required, I think. 3) The Pen Age I could also bring my HP OmniShares -- not portable, but representative of that historic paradigm quiver. 4) Those Loveable Oddballs Staring Frank's IPC, the PPC640, WorkSlate, etc. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 17:06:25 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28278; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA15561 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA15556 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA31291 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:06:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:06:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: yes I would like a list of what is left of the computers (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 104 Fine, but what the hell is he talking about? -- Doug On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > > I found another local hiding on ClassicCmp. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 14:30:03 -0700 > From: Garrett Gordon > Reply-To: classiccmp@u.washington.edu > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers > > Subject: yes I would like a list of what is left of the computers > > My phone number is (408)338-9282. > > > Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/05/98] > From CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu Tue Jul 14 21:31:55 1998 Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu (root@lists4.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.2]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA25504; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with SMTP id VAA08182; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:29:36 -0700 Received: from mxu4.u.washington.edu (mxu4.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with ESMTP id VAA57966 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:29:29 -0700 Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by mxu4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id VAA00637 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:29:28 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id VAA27248 for classiccmp@u.washington.edu; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:21:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id VAA07542; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:18:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807150418.VAA07542@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Date: 14 Jul 1998 21:18:01 -0700 Reply-To: classiccmp@u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Frank McConnell To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" Subject: Re: European Tour In-Reply-To: Doug Yowza's message of Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:25:25 -0500 (CDT) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 105 Doug Yowza wrote: > Any suggestions for the American nerd tourist in Europe? Hmm. How about the Heinz Nixdorf Museumforum somewhere near Paderborn in Germany? I have brochures (somewhat dated), or you can check out their web site (which, last I looked, was mostly in German) at http://www.hnf.de/ . Never been there myself, but it's on my list if I ever get around to a European Tour. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 21:49:30 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00087; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15809 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) X-Authentication-Warning: phoenix.retronet.net: majordom set sender to owner-baccl@retronet.net using -f Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15804 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 21:53:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg131-186.ricochet.net [204.179.131.186]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA07840 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:50:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:50:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980714121301.3be70d3e@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Jim Willing is coming! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 106 At 09:13 PM 7/8/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Jim Willing is going to be doing another talk at VCF 2.0! > >Might anyone in the valley want to host Jim while he's in town? I hosted >him last year and he didn't leave any lingering smells in the bedroom. Well, I'm not in the valley, and my place isn't much better than sleeping in doorways, but I can offer a camp-cot and a roof... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 22:18:13 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA08098; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA15868 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15863 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA20838 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:17:55 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:17:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Digital electronics anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 107 On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Ok, I'm a total retard. I can't get a simple fucken XOR gate to work. Hey, aren't you the guy that made fun of my digital trainers? This ought to be fun watching software guys trying to debug hardware. Step 1: reduce the number of unknowns. Just apply 1 and 0 to what you think are the inputs to your XOR and see what you get out without the switch. If you don't get what you expect, then there are probably some other pins on the chip that you left floating that shouldn't be. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 23:09:53 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA21804; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15936 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:14:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15931 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA30524 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:09:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:09:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Digital electronics anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 108 On Tue, 14 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Yeah, that's what I did. I'm still getting odd results. The data sheet > (Radio Shack is pretty good about this actually...each thingy they sell > has a fax-back code and the 800 fax-back number) says that all pins should > be connected to something. But does this mean even the gates I'm not > using should be grounded or something? It wouldn't hurt to ground the pins you're not using, but I assume you've got +5 and ground going to the chip (in addition to your input voltages), right? (I just ran around looking for a TTL logic book, but couldn't find one.) -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 14 23:39:15 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29045; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15972 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:43:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15967 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:43:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA03203 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:38:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 01:38:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Digital electronics anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 109 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > It wouldn't hurt to ground the pins you're not using, but I assume you've > got +5 and ground going to the chip (in addition to your input voltages), > right? (I just ran around looking for a TTL logic book, but couldn't find > one.) I had to go all of the way to Taiwan to find an online data book: http://vlsi3.cs.ccu.edu.tw/~vlsicad/logic/doc/sn74ls86.pdf So, to refine my question: you've got +5 going to pin 14, and ground connected to pin 7, right? If so, then +5 to pin 1, and ground to pin 2, should give you +5 on pin 3 unless the chip is bad. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 15 19:41:22 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27849; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17001 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:45:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA16994 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from foxnhare@goldrush.com) Received: from goldrush.com (JX-088.goldrush.com [207.104.48.88]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA18855 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35AD6516.99D6D22E@goldrush.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:27:34 -0700 From: Larry Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: VCF Displays (was Portables) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 110 Doug Yowza wrote: > > I'll also bring a Commodore SX-64 and a Morrow Pivot, since I didn't see > those on your list. > > -- Doug Good that will save a little space. ;) Sam had asked me to do a Commodore display. The more stuff I can get Sam and others to bring locally the more nifty stuff (drives, software, old books, mags & catalogs, oddball computers, etc) I can bring down from the hills. As far as how to display it, I was impressed by the Macintosh dsplay at VCF 1.0 I think it was really good to have the collector stationed at his machines switching programs, answering questions and demonstrating systems (he had determined that the Mac 128 I had for sale actually worked but was missing the battery and the drive was messed up.) I think I would like to go for that this time. Hmm what to disply, there are so many different models, cases and ROM revisions it would take a sizable space (especially with the PETs), so I figure trim it down to siginificant units (as mentioned earlier) and no monitors for all around (I could shuffle the display-less machines between three or so monitors.) An example of a "would like to display" list: * KIM (don't got one, but I think one of you has one...) A few Commodore handheld calculators PET 2001 (w/calculator keyboard, original ROM) PET 2001 series or 4000 series (9" or 12" display, full size graphics keyboard) CBM 8000 series or SuperPET at least 1 Commodore Dual Drive (4040) maybe a (2031 too if I can get one working) Monitors: 1702, CM-141, 1902, and/or 1084 P-500 (This is a true rarity cross between a PET and a 64!) * B-128 * CBM 8296 (anyone got either of these?) (past this point the size factor shrinks significantly) VIC-20 C-64 (bring my Stereo modified 64 for a thrill!) 64-C SX 64 Plus/4 C-16 C-128 * Commodore LCD (I know I'm almost dreaming, but I can hope) 128D * C-65 (I'd love to see one of those babys!) Drives: 1541, 1571, 1581, CMD-HD Datasettes: orignal Sanyo re-built, black and cream brick C2Ns, and Commodore 1530. Devices: RAM Expansion Unit, Cart. Games, Voice Sythesisers, Commodore Sticks and Paddles, Mouse. Software: PET stuff, VIC Stuff, Plus/4 Stuff, 64 Stuff, 128 Stuff Books: Early PET books, rare Programming Guides Magazines: a couple early issues of the PET Gazzette and Commodore Newsletter, old COMPUTE!s Sam, I passed my Amiga stuff on to my brother last Xmas (I now have a Mac serving as a peripheral to my 8-bit collection), I could bring a few disks, but if you want me to cover Amiga, I would have to depend on you guys to bring the hardware. Anything with an asterisk preceding it I don't have in my collection (yet), and would depend on someone bringing it for display. Everything else I could bring (IF I had room in our little Plymouth Horizon), but would like to get loaners so I could bring more of the rarities/oddities. -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 15 19:41:30 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27847; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA17006 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:45:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17000 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:45:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from foxnhare@goldrush.com) Received: from goldrush.com (JX-088.goldrush.com [207.104.48.88]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA18879 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35AD68EE.545C71BA@goldrush.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 19:43:57 -0700 From: Larry Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Visitor from Europe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 111 In one of my other mail groups (the Commodore 8-bit CBM-Hackers Group) the facilitator, Marko Mäkelä passed along his plans to visit the U.S late in the year and would like to meet some classic computerists along the way. One of the stops is in San Francisco/Silicon Valley Area, and I thought maybe we could get some sort of tour or iternerary together for him and his collegues. Here is a reply from him to my offer of setting up something: ===================== Subject: Re: Meet me Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:58:04 +0300 (EET DST) From: Marko Mäkelä Reply-To: cbm-hackers@dot.tcm.hut.fi To: cbm-hackers@dot.tcm.hut.fi On Sun, 12 Jul 1998, Larry Anderson wrote: > Silicon Valley is in my neck of the woods (well about 150 miles away, but > still doable for a day-trip). There is a good vintage computer following > there, maybe I could halp arrange form something if you are interested??? That would be interesting, yes. I hope that the prices will be a bit more reasonable than in the 8-bit computer store I visited last Saturday with Richard Atkinson. > At least a tour or two of people's 'micro museums' or maybe meet at > one of the Silicon Valley Tech Museums. That could interest others in our group as well. > Sorry for the delay but I get sidetracked easily. No problem, I have the same problem. :-) Here's my flight schedule for the trip: > 3 SK 711 V 01NOV 7 HELCPH HK2 I 0725 0815 *1A/ > 4 SK 537 V 01NOV 7 CPHDUB HK2 I 0900 1010 *1A/ > 5 DL2623 K 05NOV 4 DUBEWR HK2 1505 1905 *1A/ > 6 ARNK ***> 7 DL 339 K 13NOV 5 BOSSFO HK2 C 0945 1436 *1A/ET* ***> 8 DL1136 K 20NOV 5 SFOJFK HK2 S 0740 1610 *1A/ET* > 9 DL2624 K 20NOV 5 JFKDUB HK2 4W 1850 0620+1 *1A/ > 10 SK 538 V 21NOV 6 DUBCPH HK2 1110 1410 *1A/ > 11 SK 712 V 21NOV 6 CPHHEL HK2 I 1500 1735 *1A/ Line 5 (DUB-EWR) is the arrival to New York on November 5. We will travel from NYC to Boston by car, and from there is the flight to San Fransisco on the 13th. Howard, the Bronx C= user group meeting was on the 12th, right? That is a bit too late, I think. But I should have enough time to meet you. Marko - This message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list. To unsubscribe: echo unsubscribe | mail cbm-hackers-request@dot.tcm.hut.fi. =============== I asked him to give me an Idea of what he would like to do and what he wants to see. About Marko Mäkelä: He probably is one of the more notable Commodore 8-Bit pioneers on the internet as he had helped set up the newsgroup comp.sys.cbm, and established and maintains the extensive commodore 8-bit archive at: http://www.funet.fi/pub/cbm/ If you wish to learn more about him and his interests here is his web page: http://www.hut.fi/home/msmakela/msmakela-english.html So what do you say? I myself could probably come down to meet him one or two of the days but if he plans to do more I would need help. Let me or him know if you can help make his visit more worth-while. Thanks, Larry -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 15 20:04:09 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA04186; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17048 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA17043 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 20:08:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA31314 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:03:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:03:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Visitor from Europe In-Reply-To: <35AD68EE.545C71BA@goldrush.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 112 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Larry Anderson wrote: > the stops is in San Francisco/Silicon Valley Area, and I thought maybe we > could get some sort of tour or iternerary together for him and his collegues. Where's Rax? Doesn't he have publishing connections? I see the need for a Silicon Valley nerd-tour guide book here, and possibly a companion Vintage Computer Field Guide to help spot desirable machines (with pictures taken at the VCF, and featuring each machine's owner prominently, of course). I volunteer to co-author and cash royalty checks if somebody can sell the idea to a publisher. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 15 22:56:55 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA12284; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 22:56:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17257 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17252 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:01:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA01205 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:56:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 00:56:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 113 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: [and wrote and wrote about cables] Thanks, now I remember why I'm completely wireless :-) -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 15 23:32:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06208; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17313 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:37:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17308 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:37:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA10354 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:32:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 01:32:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 114 On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > That'll be the day when you can get T3 bandwidth over the air. > Unfortunately, you can't even get T1 that way. So until then, I suffer. Yes, you can get T1 over the air, even fairly long range, but I don't mind running one wire to the house and only using wireless within the house. Especially with laptops (on the internet, nobody knows you're a dog; with wireless, nobody knows you're sending email while taking a crap). > Did you guys read about Sun's Jini today? Very cool. Of course, this is > the same architecture that I've been building into my product line for the > last couple of years. It finally came to fruition last winter. Very cool > concept. Definitely a good thing. I think it will stick. First they reinvent UCSD Pascal with Java, and now they reinvent CORBA. What's next, front-panels with blinkenlights? :-) -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 15 23:35:02 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA01089; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17329 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:39:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA17324 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA20603 for baccl@retronet.net; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:40:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199807160640.XAA20603@squeep.com> Subject: Re: Cable Modem To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 23:40:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ismail" at Jul 15, 98 10:46:28 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 115 > I highly recommend this service if you have it available in your area. > Its only $40 a month and you get a static IP address. You can get the > setup charges waived if you say you saw the deal at CompUSA. I don't know > if there are any special deals for referrals but just in case say Sam > Ismail sent you. Heck, the IP address is worth $40/month alone! If any of you other classic computer geeks happen to live with roommates who can share the cost, I can also highly recommend the service we're getting right now, 384Kbps DSL. Our service was hell to set up (mainly due to countless pacbell screwups -- gee, go figure), but after it was in place, pure full-time net bliss. The major drawback is that you must be physically close to your CO in order to qualify for DSL. We're lucky -- we're so close that our 384kbps line actually runs at 640kbps. It's dedicated, 24x7, and we have 32 static IP addresses. The cost is prohibitive at $299 per month, but in our case that's being split four ways, so I don't mind a bit. That cost also covers all fees, including line charges and ISP fees. No other charges can accrue. FYI, retronet.net (forgive the lack of a webpage) is running on a 486/33 running FreeBSD 2.2.6, connected directly to our in-house 10BaseT LAN. No router is necessary, since the DSL box is actually a bridge. We also host four other domains here :) We are geeks, hear us roar. OT, I know, but hey... it's near and dear to my heart ;) -Seth From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 12:04:22 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA20488; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA18016 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA18011 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:35:30 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:35:29 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:04:47 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re:Commodre VCF Displays In-Reply-To: References: <35AD6516.99D6D22E@goldrush.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980716123530.22dc3252.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 116 >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Larry Anderson wrote: >> A few Commodore handheld calculators Sam said: >I've got a mechanical desktop model that's kinky. I could bring that for >kicks. A Commodore mechanical? I'd love to see that. I also have a few C= electronic desk and handhelds I could bring to fill any gaps, http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum/mccommod.htm >> Drives: 1541, 1571, 1581, CMD-HD I have 3 Hard drives. Do you think we can dump them to a PC at the show? If we can get the files to a 1541, I can get them to a PC. Sam said: >Doug Coward eyed >before I a brand new (never opened!) C64 CP/M cart at Las Positas weekend >before last! And it's for sale, just $75 :) ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 15:35:33 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21376; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA18199 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18194 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:06:51 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:06:50 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:36:06 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980716160651.239db87d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 117 At 10:46 PM 7/15/98 -0700, you wrote: >I highly recommend this service if you have it available in your area. >Its only $40 a month and you get a static IP address. You can get the >setup charges waived if you say you saw the deal at CompUSA. I don't know >if there are any special deals for referrals but just in case say Sam >Ismail sent you. Heck, the IP address is worth $40/month alone! Is this @Home from TCI? I just went to the @Home page and they did not mention attaching a server to their service other than saying that it was not part of the initial product offering. >I plan on setting up a proxy server/web server/firewall and have my own >little private ISP going here as soon as I get the modem hooked up >(hopefully by the end of the week). It'll be cool being able to host my >own web pages, usenet server, etc. I'm stoked! How are you doing this? When are classes starting for the "How to set up your own ISP" course. I want one too! >But for all my effort I now have an additional two CAT5's and 4-pair CAT3 >going to the garage (one for each side). I also have two CAT5s going to >the side of my house where my telco box is (for future data services), two >6-pair CAT3s (for POTS lines), a brand new coax for the cable modem, and >the ground wire for my PBX. To the rest of the house I have one CAT5 and >a 4-pair CAT3 each going to my two spare bedrooms and kitchen, each side >of the bed in the master bedroom, and each side of my desk in my office. Does CAT = category? Is there a book on this stuff (I not looking for a list of books). ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 15:57:14 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16897; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA18234 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA18229 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:01:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA02724 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:56:39 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:56:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <19980716160651.239db87d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 118 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Is this @Home from TCI? I just went to the @Home page and they > did not mention attaching a server to their service other than > saying that it was not part of the initial product offering. I've been wating for ever for TCI to cover Santa Clara with @Home; their coverage is very thin. As long as they give you a fixed IP address, you'll have no problem putting a server on the net with it's own domain. You can kinda sorta do this even with dynamic IP addresses. I have a Linux box that's on the net 24/7 via a Ricochet wireless modem. The IP address is dyanmic, but it only changes when I shut down the connection and re-connect, which is not very often, so I can provide DNS for the box from another server on the net. If you don't have access to a DNS server, there's a cool free service that will give you a funky subdomain for your dynamic IP address: http://www.ml.org/ml/freed/ > How are you doing this? When are classes starting for the "How > to set up your own ISP" course. I want one too! Linux (or FreeBSD) is what you seek. > Is there a book on this stuff (I not looking for a list of books). O'Reilly books are good for syadmin kind of stuff, but Linux man pages and HOW-TO's are usually good enough for me. As far as wiring goes, you can get a hub at Fry's for under $50, and they have an aisle with all of the cables you'll need. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 17:17:40 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28348; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18319 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:21:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18308 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-007.ricochet.net [204.179.128.7]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24562 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:18:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:18:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980716171507.423707fe@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Cable Modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 119 At 03:36 PM 7/16/98 -0700, you wrote: >Is there a book on this stuff (I not looking for a list of books). I too, would love to learn the basics of networking, at least enough so I would know the difference between a router, hub, bridge, bungee, and so on. Maybe even to the point of being able to set up a network here... Any pointers would be gratefully accepted! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 17:48:08 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05896; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA18313 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA18302 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:21:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-007.ricochet.net [204.179.128.7]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA24549 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980716170750.393781cc@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Cable Modem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 120 At 12:56 AM 7/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks, now I remember why I'm completely wireless :-) Are you talking that wireless T-1 stuff in Microtimes, Ricochet, or just a wireless network internally? If the first, how do you like it, does it work, and is it worth the cost? --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 18:01:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12952; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA18389 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA18384 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29940 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:00:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:00:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980716170750.393781cc@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 121 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > Are you talking that wireless T-1 stuff in Microtimes, Ricochet, or just a > wireless network internally? If the first, how do you like it, does it > work, and is it worth the cost? I have a wireless WAN via Ricochet, and a 1Mbps wireless LAN via Netwave (formerly Xircom) at home, but wireless LAN speeds are now up to 10Mpbs and I've seen a couple of ISPs offer wireless internet connections at around T1 speeds, and typically at a cost less than what you would pay for a wired T1 (but still too expensive for me). -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 16 19:29:54 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08814; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA00262 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:29:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA00257 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16182 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:29:34 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:29:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 122 On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Well, this was a weak primer but it should be enough to help you > understand basic data communications. Telephony is more my game but I > know enough about networking to be dangerous and make money at it. > > Ok, open for questions. Great primer, Sam! But the main "trick" for any home-based LAN connected to the internet is sharing a single IP address for your entire home net. I know of two ways to go: a proxy server (including SOCKS) and NAT (network address translation, basically converts your internal IP addresses into port numbers on your external IP address). There may be other ways to solve the problem, but this is basically the only wrinkle that you encounter in a home LAN that you won't encounter in a real LAN. (BTW, do *not* use 10base2! Spend the $50 on a hub and stick with 10/100baseT!) -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 01:38:23 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA20069; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00591 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00586 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:37:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA00739 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:41:35 -0700 Message-Id: <199807170841.BAA00739@squeep.com> Subject: Re: Cable Modem To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:41:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Doug Yowza" at Jul 16, 98 09:29:33 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 123 > Great primer, Sam! But the main "trick" for any home-based LAN connected > to the internet is sharing a single IP address for your entire home net. > > I know of two ways to go: a proxy server (including SOCKS) and NAT > (network address translation, basically converts your internal IP > addresses into port numbers on your external IP address). A third solution can be done in Linux (I'm not sure about *BSD, I think at least NetBSD also includes similar functionality). It's called IP Masquerading, and sounds very similar to NAT. You just set up some ip chain configurations which tell your "router" system (a Linux box connected to your internal network, and to the outside world) to 'masquerade' whenever a packet is sent out to the world. It then remembers which host sent which packet, and when a reply comes, it passes it back along to the proper host. Pretty snazzy, and very popular these days. I've been using it in a project at work for quite some time, and it works wonderfully. -Seth, who doesn't need masquerading 'cause he has so many IPs, nyah nyah [:^)] -- "It looks just like a Telefunken U47! Seth J. Morabito You'll love it." - Frank Zappa sethm@loomcom.com From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 11:29:53 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27542; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA01113 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:28:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01108 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id LAA04009 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:21:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id LAA05250; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 11:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807171817.LAA05250@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 17 Jul 1998 11:17:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 124 Misc notes on the home LAN stuff: If you are new to making network cables, don't bother with strippers and crimpers unless you want to, or have to in order to get custom long cables or run cables inside walls or something like that. BTDT, it's not hard but not foolproof either, and now I buy most of my cables pre-made from Fry's, both for thin-net and for 10BaseT, because they are cheap and easier. (BTW, note Fry's has different sorts of pre-fab cables, with a smaller selection of more expensive ones kept near where they sell the PC network adapters. Go look for the bigger selection of cheaper cables, back toward the electronic parts area in the Palo Alto Fry's.) My network at home is mostly thin-net with a 10BaseT hub (w/one BNC connector to thin-net) at my desk for a couple of machines. 10BaseT is good for new stuff because the new and cheap network adapters for PCs support it (and often nothing else), also you can get it in 100Mbit flavor if you are looking to go that way. Most classic Ethernet interfaces will bring out an AUI aka transceiver connector as a 15-pin D socket that may have the infamous slide-lock, and many will bring out a BNC for thin-net; there are a few that only bring out the BNC for thin-net (e.g. some HP9000/300s). So whatever you use, get some transceivers for it if you think you will be trying to connect classic systems. I do NAT and dial-on-demand PPP with FreeBSD-stable and it seems to work OK. It dials into a PPP server at the office (behind a firewall that prevents incoming connections from the global Internet, but I can get to it from my desktop Wintel thing or others in other Attachmate offices) and I have NAT set so that if I telnet to port 7094 on my PPP dial-on-demand box it does a transparent connection to the telnet service on my mail/news box. If you have questions or want to see my config files just ask. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 19:37:25 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23496; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA01497 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA01492 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA01929 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:40:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199807180240.TAA01929@squeep.com> Subject: Cleaning boards To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:40:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 125 Hey all, I've heard a lot of people suggest cleaning old boards using denatured alcohol. Could anyone share some tips about how to get the best results? Do you buy a gallon of denatured alcohol and empty it into a square pan as you might use for developing film? How about the best way to take care of stubborn mold spots? Can I just submerge the entire board in denatured alcohol and (gently!) take a Q-tip to mold spots? Or is there a better way? And while I'm at it, does anyone have a favorite brand of denatured alcohol they use? :) Will ordinary household rubbing alcohol do? And how about drying? Do you towl-dry gently and then just let the remaining alcohol evaporate? I have several IMSAI CPU cards, two Cromemco ZPU cards, and some Q-Bus cards I'd like to clean this way. Are there any special concerns about dip-switches, EPROMS, and family? Muchos gracias! -Seth -- "It looks just like a Telefunken U47! Seth J. Morabito You'll love it." - Frank Zappa sethm@loomcom.com From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 20:12:27 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07996; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01538 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:11:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01533 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:27:03 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:27:03 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 19:55:57 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Cable Modems Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980717202703.29b289ec.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 126 Sam said: >Sheesh! Its dougBay :) I LIKE the sound of that. What does that mean in Pig Latin? >Sure they don't mention it, because they don't want you to >I'm sure. But you have a static IP address. What's to stop you? >Nothing. You don't have to pay that $100 a year stuff? Or is a static IP address different from a domain name. > I'm planning on using my NeXT cube as a usenet server, >my linux box will be my main shell server, >I'll need a web server ......and an e-mail server, so I'll >probably off-load those onto another box, and I'll need a >firewall, >Lastly, I'll be hooking up a terminal server with a modem so I >can access my network when I'm away from home. O.K. Here's a real stupid question. If Linux is a multitasking operating system, why one box for mail and one box for a firewall, and one box......? I did go out and find a page of Linux HOWTO links at: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/linux-faq/section2.html#howtos What is everyones favorite flavor: Debian, Red Hat or Slackware? And what is the consensus on the the most stable vs. bugs fixed version of Linux? >Some beginner stuff: >Making a simple LAN (or HAN, House Area Network) is easy. Very easy. Clap! Clap! Clap! Thanks for tutorial. It really filled in some gaps. It looks like I was on a 10base2 network at Tengen, I remember in was DECNet. And I'm on a 100baseT network here. (The boss just started switching us from NetWare to Linux). So, you sign-up for @Home with NO special options? You just fail to mention that you will be hanging a gaggle of servers on their line? I would be happy if I could just be able to send and retrieve file from my home PC, at work. And host my own pages. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 20:33:04 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13008; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01567 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01562 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:32:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA13000 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:32:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:32:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modems In-Reply-To: <19980717202703.29b289ec.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 127 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Sam said: > >Sheesh! Its dougBay :) > I LIKE the sound of that. What does that mean in Pig Latin? :-) I looked into getting DougTV.com, but some other ougDay already nabbed it. However, dougBay.com is still available. > You don't have to pay that $100 a year stuff? Or is a static IP > address different from a domain name. Different, and it's only $35/year for the domain name. If you're not vain, I gave a link to a place that would give you a free subdomain in a previous message. > O.K. Here's a real stupid question. If Linux is a multitasking > operating system, why one box for mail and one box for a firewall, > and one box......? Sam is obviously expecting massive traffic, so he needs to distribute the load. > What is everyones favorite flavor: Debian, Red Hat or Slackware? Speaking for everyone, RedHat. > And what is the consensus on the the most stable vs. bugs fixed > version of Linux? The reason you get a distribution such as RedHat as opposed to rolling your own is that they have a bunch of people who integrate and test to find/create the most stable ensemble so you don't have to. Just get the latest RedHat 5.x on CD-ROM at your favorite hacker store. From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 20:59:01 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18091; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA01598 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:58:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01593 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 20:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA19330 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:58:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:58:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cleaning boards In-Reply-To: <199807180240.TAA01929@squeep.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 128 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > I've heard a lot of people suggest cleaning old boards using denatured > alcohol. Could anyone share some tips about how to get the best results? Didn't somebody on the list suggest putting the boards in the dishwasher? I haven't tried that, but here's a recent thread from a Heathkit list: << Marty wrote: > > Edward Swynar wrote: > > > > Jim... TGIF 17-VII-98. > > > > One of my favourite techniques is to first remove all of the tubes, and > > anything else that plugs into the chassis (within reason!)...next, I > > wipe/rub the dirty areas of the chassis with a clean rag(s) soaked in > > isopropyl *rubbing* alcohol. > > > > The excess alcohol evaporates without a trace after a short while---any > > that gets into pots, controls, etc. during the cleaning process merely > > helps things that much more! > > > > Be sure to have lotsa rags on hand before starting...and good luck! > > > > 73, de > > Eddy VE3CUI - VE3XZ > > ---------- > 0 > > > Subject: Chassis Cleaning Process > > > Date: July 17, 1998 11:36 AM > > > > > > Hello, > > > I am a new ham and need advise as to the safest process for cleaning > > > years of accumulated dust from the chassis of my HW-100 and HP-23a. > > > > > It probably won't make a big difference, but try to get 91% isopropyl > rather than 70%. It will leave less water behind to dry out after the > alcohol evaporates. Just in case it wicks into some corrosion prone > components. > > Marty K1FHR > > --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -- > To subscribe: listserv@listserv.tempe.gov > and in body: subscribe HEATH yourfirstname yourlastname > To unsubscribe: listserv@listserv.tempe.gov > and in body: signoff HEATH > Archives for HEATH: http://www.tempe.gov/archives > --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- -- The Only problem with any Isopropyl alchohol is that it leaves Mineral Oil behind... try a de-Natured Alchohol ... the Mineral Oil residue tends to attract Dust especially if there is a HV source in the rig... 73 de Jordan... >> From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 10:03:57 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11505; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06318 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:03:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06313 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA04880 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:07:47 -0700 Message-Id: <199807201707.KAA04880@squeep.com> Subject: Re: Thanks to the list... (fwd) To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:07:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ismail" at Jul 20, 98 09:11:05 am From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 129 > > > Woah. How did this happen? > > Sam *blink* Wow. Indeed. The mind, it does boggle. -Seth From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 09:11:40 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21246; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA06267 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:10:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06262 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA20928 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: RE: Thanks to the list... (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 130 Woah. How did this happen? Sam ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:46:22 -0400 From: "Dellett, Anthony" Reply-To: classiccmp@u.washington.edu To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: RE: Thanks to the list... > Dellett, Anthony wrote: > > > Well... I finally found one, I ordered a used Imsai 8080 from an > > undisclosed place in CA (they had one on consignment) and they're > > shipping it to me here in Boston. > > Not even gonna guess what shipping is cross country for that > heavy of a > machine. Does it work did they say? > Shipping was only $71, the guy is even foam packing it. I guess I can confess and say it's coming from Weird Stuff Warehouse in Sunnyvale. This is an as-is sale but I'm sure if it doesn't work, I can fix it :) Tony From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 10:30:22 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14776; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA06350 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:29:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA06344 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id KAA03763 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:26:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id KAA19394; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:22:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807201722.KAA19394@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Thanks to the list... (fwd) References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 20 Jul 1998 10:22:22 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:11:05 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 131 Sam Ismail wrote: > Woah. How did this happen? (a) At a guess, I'd say that less than half of Weird Stuff's space is open to the public (including the bid sale). Who knows what else isn't on display? (b) They will also look for stuff for you. See: http://www.weirdstuff.com/html/hard_to_find.htm And they say they do consignment sales, although it's not clear to me where they advertise/display the stuff they have on consignment (assuming they bother to distinguish consignment-sale items). -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 14:45:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23093; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06539 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06534 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA32707 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:44:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:44:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: RE: Thanks to the list... (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 132 On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Woah. How did this happen? Al, who I think is the WeirdStuff proprietor, had an IMSAI at home. When I talked to him about it, he said he didn't want to sell it and would put it on display instead. I guess he changed his mind. It went for $300. Now that he is collector-aware, I wonder what that will mean. Either prices will go up, or we'll start seeing a much better selection of collectibles. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 14:45:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23093; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA06539 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06534 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:44:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA32707 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:44:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:44:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: RE: Thanks to the list... (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 133 On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > Woah. How did this happen? Al, who I think is the WeirdStuff proprietor, had an IMSAI at home. When I talked to him about it, he said he didn't want to sell it and would put it on display instead. I guess he changed his mind. It went for $300. Now that he is collector-aware, I wonder what that will mean. Either prices will go up, or we'll start seeing a much better selection of collectibles. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 16:17:25 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21040; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06621 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:16:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail2.sirius.com (mail2.sirius.com [205.134.253.132]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06616 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:16:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rax@warbaby.com) Received: from [205.134.227.143] (ppp-asft08--242.sirius.net [205.134.227.242]) by mail2.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id QAA05624 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:16:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:27:51 -0800 To: baccl@retronet.net From: Rax Subject: Nerd Tour (belated response) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 134 >On Wed, 15 Jul 1998, Larry Anderson wrote: > >> the stops is in San Francisco/Silicon Valley Area, and I thought maybe we >> could get some sort of tour or iternerary together for him and his >>collegues. > >Where's Rax? Doesn't he have publishing connections? I see the need for >a Silicon Valley nerd-tour guide book here, and possibly a companion >Vintage Computer Field Guide to help spot desirable machines (with >pictures taken at the VCF, and featuring each machine's owner prominently, >of course). I volunteer to co-author and cash royalty checks if somebody >can sell the idea to a publisher. > >-- Doug A SillyValley nerd tour guidebook is a hot idea. Last year I was going to do a website along the same lines but I always had too many other things to do and never got it off the ground. I thought there'd be a lot of interest from geeks in other parts of the world to whom SV is a legendary, near-mythical place Where It All Began. I also agree that there would be a market (not sure how big though) for a Vintage Computer Field Guide. Bear in mind, however, that a field guide will increase interest and drive the prices up. P'raps we should wait until we've snagged all the goodies we want while they're still worthless. Those comments aside, I'd definitely be interested in working on these projects - what the hell, somebody's going to do both of those ideas sooner or later so it might as well be now and it might as well be us. R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 20:06:22 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24686; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06797 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:05:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06792 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA23024 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: RE: Thanks to the list... (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 135 On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > Al, who I think is the WeirdStuff proprietor, had an IMSAI at home. When > I talked to him about it, he said he didn't want to sell it and would put > it on display instead. I guess he changed his mind. It went for $300. > > Now that he is collector-aware, I wonder what that will mean. Either > prices will go up, or we'll start seeing a much better selection of > collectibles. I hope now they want to buy a spot at the VCF flea market. I think I'll make them pay an "I-told-you-so" surcharge on top of the normal space rental ;) Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/05/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 20 20:29:18 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA01180; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA06825 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:28:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA06820 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:28:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA02371 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 20:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Nerd Tour (belated response) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 136 On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Rax wrote: > A SillyValley nerd tour guidebook is a hot idea. Last year I was going to > do a website along the same lines but I always had too many other things to > do and never got it off the ground. I thought there'd be a lot of interest > from geeks in other parts of the world to whom SV is a legendary, > near-mythical place Where It All Began. I can add some validation to this. I grew up in SoCal. I moved to just outside the Sacto area when I was 17. During my senior year of high school I dreamed of coming to the great silicon mecca that we call Silicon Valley. I finally got my chance when we had a "Physics Day" at Great America. Two daring friends and I ditched the park halfway thru the day (my stomach was never keen on roller coasters so one ride on the Demon was enough for the day anyway) and took a bus to Cupertino on a pilgrimage to the great Apple Computer Inc. We tried to get in to the maufacturing plant to get a tour. Ultimately we got turned away, but we had fun and went home with some simple souvenirs, like some visitor passes I horked from one of the shipping & receiving offices we first stopped at on Stevens Creek. I always felt a longing to live here, so that's why I made my home here. It IS a magical place. Cool stuff happens here. For geeks like me, its the best place in the world to live. You're close to where most of the world's technical innovation originates. > I also agree that there would be a market (not sure how big though) for a > Vintage Computer Field Guide. Bear in mind, however, that a field guide > will increase interest and drive the prices up. P'raps we should wait until > we've snagged all the goodies we want while they're still worthless. Heheh. That's why the Vintage Computer Festival is a double-edged sword. It provides collectors with a yearly event to meet at but then raises general awareness, and thus eventually prices I fear. But, if we do it for the benefit of all collectors then we have done a good deed. I would be most interested in collaborating on this project. If nobody starts it within a year's worth of time then I promise I will. > Those comments aside, I'd definitely be interested in working on these > projects - what the hell, somebody's going to do both of those ideas sooner > or later so it might as well be now and it might as well be us. That's the attitude! This is the same type of motivation that is the beginnings of good things. I see this growing interest among us in meeting together and collaborating on fun and interesting projects the start of some pretty exciting happenings. Someone will write a book about us some day. ;) Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/05/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 21 04:15:24 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA12977; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA07256 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:14:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA07251 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:14:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA23083 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 04:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: VCF web page check Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 137 Could you guys do me a favor and do a sanity check on the latest VCF web page updates? Its past 4am and I'm hella tired, so who knows what bogus information I put in there. I put up hotel information, directions, vendor information, exhibitor information, the new speakers have been added, and other subtleties. As always, I welcome any comments or criticisms. Thanks! http://www.siconic.com/vcf Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/05/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 21 13:43:04 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20034; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07663 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07658 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA27302 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 138 Hi guys. Quick note. I know several of you guys will be selling at VCF 2.0. Of course, as always, those who have helped with the planning and such of VCF get to sell for free. But this year I need you guys to get a Seller's permit so I can keep everything kosher. I know it sucks but I don't want to have to deal with some bullshit later on. You can get a seller's permit by going to the Board of Equalization office at this address: 100 Paseo de San Antonio Room 307 San Jose, CA 95113 408/277.1807 x55 You can either call or write. Also, the spaces are limited so far this year (16 total). If I get enough vendors I will most likely be renting out the remaining portion of the Great America Ballroom that's on hold currently (another 2000 sqft or room for about 8 more vendor areas). But either way, could I get you guys who will be selling to band together into one space (or as few spaces as possible)? This will help me out since I need to make some $$$ on the few spaces that there are. You could all possibly sell under one permit, which might make things easier. While I'm at it, who is going to sell this year, and what will you be bringing? This will give me a good idea of how many spaces I should set aside for the guys that helped make the show a success. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 21 13:56:46 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06411; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA07688 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA07683 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 13:55:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA14450 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:56:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 15:56:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 139 On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > such of VCF get to sell for free. But this year I need you guys to get a > Seller's permit so I can keep everything kosher. I know it sucks but I > don't want to have to deal with some bullshit later on. You can get a > seller's permit by going to the Board of Equalization office at this That also means collecting sales tax, and sending/reporting it to the SBoE, right? > While I'm at it, who is going to sell this year, and what will you be > bringing? This will give me a good idea of how many spaces I should set I only have about one box full of stuff (including 5 new ZX-81 kits). -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 21 18:50:30 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16584; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA07904 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:49:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA07899 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:49:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:19:22 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:19:22 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:47:08 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980721191922.3e0ecdbb.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 140 >On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > >> such of VCF get to sell for free. But this year I need you guys to get a >> Seller's permit so I can keep everything kosher. I know it sucks but I >> don't want to have to deal with some bullshit later on. You can get a >> seller's permit by going to the Board of Equalization office at this > >That also means collecting sales tax, and sending/reporting it to the >SBoE, right? Here I go again, I thought that places like Las Positas you could sell TWICE in a 12 month period without filing a form with SBoE. This Seller's Permit is a new one on me. > While I'm at it, who is going to sell this year, and what will you be > bringing? This will give me a good idea of how many spaces I should set A large array of bangles and bobbles to delight and amuse the masses. (Which means I've rented a second storage area to use to separate the stuff I want to sell from the stuff I want to keep) ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 21 19:41:22 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27085; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA07958 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA07953 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:40:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA27014 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 141 On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > > don't want to have to deal with some bullshit later on. You can get a > > seller's permit by going to the Board of Equalization office at this > > That also means collecting sales tax, and sending/reporting it to the > SBoE, right? Unfortunately yes. However, I believe there is a minimum amount after which you must start reporting. If you're under that then you don't have to do anything. Check the regulations. There are usually ways to get around it. > > While I'm at it, who is going to sell this year, and what will you be > > bringing? This will give me a good idea of how many spaces I should set > > I only have about one box full of stuff (including 5 new ZX-81 kits). Cool. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 17 01:35:50 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19465; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:35:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA00572 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:35:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00567 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 01:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA02317 for ; Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:35:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 03:35:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Cable Modem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 142 On Fri, 17 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > > I know of two ways to go: a proxy server (including SOCKS) and NAT > > (network address translation, basically converts your internal IP > > addresses into port numbers on your external IP address). There may be > > other ways to solve the problem, but this is basically the only wrinkle > > that you encounter in a home LAN that you won't encounter in a real LAN. > > What works better? I've heard of NAT but was assuming I'd setup a proxy > server. I'm using proxy servers (a web proxy for HTTP, and SOCKS for ftp/telnet), but proxy servers require that the network client is proxy-aware. NAT is more "seamless", but you have to integrate NAT into your router's kernel, and the last time I tried (about 2 years ago), it wasn't stable enough for me. I'd definitely look into NAT before you take the proxy route, though. > Fucken TCI! They half-assed the install as I told you all, but now I > can't use my dialup network connection anymore. Whenever I try to connect > to a website I get a pop-up from Netscape saying there is no DNS entry. > When I try to telnet into a host I get an error. Looks like my DNS > configuration got hosed. This is one of those things that I'm still not > clued in on. What the fuck did these bozos do!?? Damn it! I checked my > protocol configuration (Win95 BTW) and everything looks ok. Although > there is no DNS specified in the dial-up networking dealie. What's up > with this? You let them touch your computer? Win95 is very buggy when it comes to handling multiple net configs. I've never been able to get it to work correctly when each connection had it's own DNS server. Find the IP address of a DNS server on the net that you can talk to over either connection (your original dial-up DNS was probably fine, but TCI's is probably "private"). Here, borrow mine (and use it for all of your connections): 209.49.57.4 -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 14:03:45 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA19723; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA13512 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA13507 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 14:02:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA14003 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:02:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 16:02:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <19980721191922.3e0ecdbb.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 143 Mine was the high bid on some weird stuff this week. I only wanted one thing on the pallet when I bid, but I took most of the other stuff home too because it Might Be Useful Someday(TM). I know I'll never use most of it, so maybe I'll put the inventory up on a web page as a virtual grab bag (cables, power supplies, Sun software, rubber O-rings, and security card scanners comprise much of the stuff I don't really want). Anyway, that's not the reason for this outburst. Al, who turns out to be the GM or something, says to me "hey, tell your weird collector friends that another IMSAI is coming in, and it'll be in a bid sale". This is probably a setup for the WeirdStuff equivalent of the bate and switch (you expected old junk? here, buy this new PC instead), but I thought I'd pass on his message. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 17:28:20 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27298; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:28:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA13702 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA13697 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA26448 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 17:26:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 144 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > the GM or something, says to me "hey, tell your weird collector friends > that another IMSAI is coming in, and it'll be in a bid sale". This is This ought to be interesting. Is Al the Vietnam vet who goes off on rambles about how he's always being hassled by the man? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 18:22:37 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28771; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13757 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:22:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13752 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:21:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA08632 for baccl@retronet.net; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:26:53 -0700 Message-Id: <199807230126.SAA08632@squeep.com> Subject: Re: WeirdStuff To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:26:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Sam Ismail" at Jul 22, 98 05:26:45 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 145 > > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > > > the GM or something, says to me "hey, tell your weird collector friends > > that another IMSAI is coming in, and it'll be in a bid sale". This is > > This ought to be interesting. > > Is Al the Vietnam vet who goes off on rambles about how he's always being > hassled by the man? I do believe so. Why are surplus places always run the the most interesting people? For instance, what's the deal with Curtis Trading Company? (aka Surplus Stuff) They certainly do have their own interesting political views, and like to share 'em with everyone they can :) [BTW, don't bother with Curtis anymore -- sadly, their computer and electronics "junk" has dwindled past the point where you can't find anything interesting there. At one point they even had a PDP-11/34 in there last year. It disappeared before I could get my hands on it, though.] -Seth -- "It looks just like a Telefunken U47! Seth J. Morabito You'll love it." - Frank Zappa sethm@loomcom.com From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 18:31:57 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01259; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13780 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:31:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13775 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:31:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:05:10 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:05:10 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 18:32:39 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: References: <19980721191922.3e0ecdbb.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980722190510.43285a3b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 146 At 04:02 PM 7/22/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >Anyway, Al, says to me "hey, tell your weird collector friends >that another IMSAI is coming in, and it'll be in a bid sale". Here is a chance to run one on them if only one of us bids in it. This is the cool thing about this list. Who on the list needs an IMSAI? I could also volunteer to help "babysit" it, watching for others that look like they may bid on it. I could do like 9:30 - 10:30 and an hour at lunchtime on Monday and Tuesday. >[BTW, don't bother with Curtis anymore -- sadly, their computer and >electronics "junk" has dwindled past the point where you can't find >anything interesting there. At one point they even had a PDP-11/34 >in there last year. It disappeared before I could get my hands on >it, though.] I was in there last week for the first time in about two years. Sad. The only interesting thing was 3 acoustical modems in real nice wooden cases with a lid and a carrying handle. But $25 each. Geez ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 19:06:09 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10989; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13821 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13816 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:05:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA30067 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:05:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:05:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <19980722190510.43285a3b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 147 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Here is a chance to run one on them if only one of us bids in it. This > is the cool thing about this list. Who on the list needs an IMSAI? You can never have too many IMSAIs (ask Sam). But this presents the classic prisoner's dilemma: if we all cooperate, somebody might be able to get a good deal, but if one of us decides to bolt, he's pretty much guaranteed to beat whatever cooperative deal we devise. In any case, I think WS are starting to sense collector interest, and if they get a good price on the IMSAI, then all of the PDP-1's they've been hiding will suddenly emerge. > I could also volunteer to help "babysit" it, watching for others that > look like they may bid on it. I could do like 9:30 - 10:30 and an hour > at lunchtime on Monday and Tuesday. And then what, beat them up? (It's mine, all mine!) BTW, he {c,w}ouldn't tell me in which bid sale the IMSAI would appear. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 19:39:31 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA29653; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13868 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:38:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13857 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:38:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-170.ricochet.net [204.179.128.170]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12139 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:39:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:39:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980721141452.3c5f155a@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 148 At 01:42 PM 7/21/98 -0700, you wrote: >Seller's permit so I can keep everything kosher. I know it sucks but I Blech. The government hates me. ('course, I hate the government so it works out. 8^) >Also, the spaces are limited so far this year (16 total). If I get enough How many did you have last year? About 30? How many vendors do you have signed up so far? >will be selling to band together into one space (or as few spaces as >possible)? This will help me out since I need to make some $$$ on the few This would be good anyway, because we can take turns watching other people's stuff while they see the exhibits and such. >While I'm at it, who is going to sell this year, and what will you be >bringing? This will give me a good idea of how many spaces I should set >aside for the guys that helped make the show a success. Stuff I have that I'll likely bring (unless someone wants it sooner): Apple IIe (or plus?) Coupla Apple II drives Mac 128K Mac 512K Misc. Mac II Case/MB/PS boxes Misc. MFM Hard Drives Misc. Apple II manuals Baby Blue CP/M Card for PC's Maybe some big 17 or 19" monitors (need work) Coupla IIgs Monitors A few books Whatever else I can dig up. Not all of it will need to be on display right away. Funds will go to: 1) buying stuff at VCF for my collection 2) buying stuff at VCF and elsewhere for Rachel's classroom That is, whatever isn't spent at the end buys computers for the school. > >Thanks! > >Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >Ever onward. > > September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 > See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! > [Last web page update: 07/21/98] > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 19:39:32 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21095; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13862 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13851 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:38:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg128-170.ricochet.net [204.179.128.170]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA12135 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 21:39:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980721121900.3c5f1b90@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Nerd Tour (belated response) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 149 At 04:27 PM 7/20/98 -0800, you wrote: >A SillyValley nerd tour guidebook is a hot idea. Last year I was going to >do a website along the same lines but I always had too many other things to There's a couple of (surplus places) web pages already, including Bruce Lane's. >I also agree that there would be a market (not sure how big though) for a >Vintage Computer Field Guide. Bear in mind, however, that a field guide >will increase interest and drive the prices up. P'raps we should wait until >we've snagged all the goodies we want while they're still worthless. The standard method for this sort of thing in the collectibles world is that the items in the author's collection are valued quite high, while the items the author is still looking for are listed as being almost worthless. Of course, information on how to contact the author is featured prominently... 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 20:00:08 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA07648; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13901 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:59:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13896 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:59:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:33:19 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:33:19 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:00:47 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: References: <19980722190510.43285a3b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980722203319.437911cf.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 150 At 09:05 PM 7/22/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >You can never have too many IMSAIs (ask Sam). And he uses them to catch the dust before it hits the floor. >But this presents the >classic prisoner's dilemma: if we all cooperate, somebody might be able to >get a good deal, but if one of us decides to bolt, he's pretty much >guaranteed to beat whatever cooperative deal we devise. I have 2 front panels and a turnkey. If I had another, I would sell it. How many IMSAIs can you boot at once? I thought there was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. >In any case, I think WS are starting to sense collector interest, and if >they get a good price on the IMSAI, then all of the PDP-1's they've been >hiding will suddenly emerge. Or they will start advertizing the classics on their web site. >And then what, beat them up? (It's mine, all mine!) Now you're getting into the swing of this. "Sorry but that's reserved for someone else". Or you just mark a minium on the tag of $300 (in pencil) and erase it Tuesday. "You have not heard how common they are?" Or how "these old one have a tendency to explode when switched on." And "they are just big paper weights if you don't have the right software" ;) Oh boy, it time for me to go home, I'm getting silly. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 22 20:39:30 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA08354; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA13945 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13940 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 20:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21630 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:39:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 22:39:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <19980722203319.437911cf.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 151 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I have 2 front panels and a turnkey. If I had another, I would > sell it. How many IMSAIs can you boot at once? I thought there > was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If > thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. Sure, we should all do what we can to help the IMSAIless, but the bidding process sort of ensures that the person who wants it the most, gets it. I can't think of a better selection process. Remember, this is not a competitive bid, it's a sealed bid. I, for example, am willing to spend about $50 for another IMSAI. (It's hard to find software for them, and they tend to explode when you turn them on, but the cat finds they make great litter boxes.) -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 00:32:51 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA19704; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14128 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:32:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14123 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcoad@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA19633 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:32:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 152 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > > > I have 2 front panels and a turnkey. If I had another, I would > > sell it. How many IMSAIs can you boot at once? I thought there > > was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If > > thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. > > Sure, we should all do what we can to help the IMSAIless, but the bidding > process sort of ensures that the person who wants it the most, gets it. I > can't think of a better selection process. Remember, this is not a > competitive bid, it's a sealed bid. I, for example, am willing to spend > about $50 for another IMSAI. (It's hard to find software for them, and > they tend to explode when you turn them on, but the cat finds they make > great litter boxes.) > Hi, I'm Paul and I'm IMSAIless. This is mainly because I haven't been looking for one. I wouldn't mind having an IMSAI, but I wouldn't pay more than $100. Someone will be willing to pay more than that, even with both Dougs tripping people on their way into the bid-sale area and Frank standing by it warning people of potential of spontaneous combustion. There must be people on this list who are willing to pay more than $100. Even if there are not, there is too much loose money in the pockets of nerds in this area to have a chance. Now, if someone was to write $4000 on the lot sheet... --pec (IMSAIless in Mountain View) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 00:59:29 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA25833; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA14163 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:58:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA14158 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 00:58:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id BAA09138 for baccl@retronet.net; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:03:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199807230803.BAA09138@squeep.com> Subject: Re: WeirdStuff To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:03:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: from "Doug Yowza" at Jul 22, 98 10:39:08 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 153 > > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > > > I have 2 front panels and a turnkey. If I had another, I would > > sell it. How many IMSAIs can you boot at once? I thought there > > was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If > > thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. > > Sure, we should all do what we can to help the IMSAIless, but the bidding > process sort of ensures that the person who wants it the most, gets it. I Screw the IMSAI's, when do they put out the mint condition 4K PDP-8 with matching ASR/33 TeleType and FORTRAN tape? :) OK, alright, alright, I'll settle for a PDP-11/34 with two RK06s, six or seven spare packs, and RSX-11M+. See, I'm easy to please :) -Seth From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:03:22 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA26790; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:03:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14189 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:02:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14184 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:02:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA26752 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:03:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:03:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <199807230126.SAA08632@squeep.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 154 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > I do believe so. Why are surplus places always run the the most > interesting people? For instance, what's the deal with Curtis > Trading Company? (aka Surplus Stuff) They certainly do have their own > interesting political views, and like to share 'em with everyone they > can :) Yeah I know. I must say though that Bobby (the slightly chubby guy with the big mustache) is actually a really nice fellow, once you get to know him. Ivan (the big, tall 10 gallon hat Texan looking mother fucker) is also pretty cool too, again once you get to know him. When I first ran into Ivan years ago (1993) I thought he was a big, tall 10 gallon hat Texan mother fucker. But last year when I needed the dividers for VCF 1.0, they gave me a hell of a deal on them, and were quite good to deal with. The other two guys who normally work there (the short, brown-haired guy and the youngish guy) are pretty cool too. The short guy is very nice. Yes, they do have extreme politics. The scary part is I'm with them, although not as fanatically. They are simply trying to remind folks that we live in a free country, but its getting harder to tell with the way things are being run by the whores in government. Even though its big and daunting and extremist sounding, that huge banner they have on the left wall when you walk in is true and a good reminder. It says "We are not a Democracy...we are a Constitutional Republic". Anyway, I'm not one to preach my politics to anybody, but these guys certainly do. Its a turn-off, but otherwise, decent people. > [BTW, don't bother with Curtis anymore -- sadly, their computer and > electronics "junk" has dwindled past the point where you can't find > anything interesting there. At one point they even had a PDP-11/34 > in there last year. It disappeared before I could get my hands on > it, though.] I usually find something interesting when I stop in once in a while, although I agree that its no WeirdStuff. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:06:29 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA08823; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14208 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:05:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14203 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:05:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA27351 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:06:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <19980722190510.43285a3b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 155 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Here is a chance to run one on them if only one of us bids in it. > This is the cool thing about this list. Who on the list needs an > IMSAI? > I could also volunteer to help "babysit" it, watching for others > that look like they may bid on it. I could do like 9:30 - 10:30 > and an hour at lunchtime on Monday and Tuesday. This is sneaky and coniving, and I love it, but I don't think its feasible. We here on this list aren't the only collectors in the greater bay area. I'd say for every one of us there's three more we don't know about, especially when you are talking about an IMSAI. That said, I'm willing to help whomever wants to get it. > I was in there last week for the first time in about two years. Sad. > The only interesting thing was 3 acoustical modems in real nice wooden > cases with a lid and a carrying handle. But $25 each. Geez I bit the bullet and bought the nicest one of the lot about 6 weeks ago. I had to. I don't think these are too easy to find. Unfortunately, the short guy wasn't around to ring up my stuff, otherwise I could've complained a little and he would've knocked a few bucks off for me. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:15:55 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA10382; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14230 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14225 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA29324 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:15:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 156 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > You can never have too many IMSAIs (ask Sam). But this presents the > classic prisoner's dilemma: if we all cooperate, somebody might be able to > get a good deal, but if one of us decides to bolt, he's pretty much > guaranteed to beat whatever cooperative deal we devise. Well, I don't expect and I certainly don't hope one of us would fuck the other. > In any case, I think WS are starting to sense collector interest, and if > they get a good price on the IMSAI, then all of the PDP-1's they've been > hiding will suddenly emerge. You watch, WeirdStuff will soon be in the busy of dealing in "antique computers". > > I could also volunteer to help "babysit" it, watching for others that > > look like they may bid on it. I could do like 9:30 - 10:30 and an hour > > at lunchtime on Monday and Tuesday. > > And then what, beat them up? (It's mine, all mine!) BTW, he {c,w}ouldn't > tell me in which bid sale the IMSAI would appear. I wonder if there's some way we can all conspire to learn what others are bidding on stuff so we can always beat them. Ok, I admit this is sneaky and coniving, but if we all do it then our collective guilt will cancel itself out :) I usually bid based on: 1. First and foremost what I'm willing to pay 2. The interest that others may have on this item 3. What others may bid on this item a. I try to think who else would be interested in this? b. If that someone else is one of us, I can make a more educated guess as to how much you would pay based on what I know about you (keep your cards hidden around me :) That said, here's a build on Doug C.'s idea. Why don't we simply cooperate on the WS bids? It would make it much easier, and eliminate much of the guess work if we would all consort on this list as to who wants to bid on what. If there's a conflict, one of us flips a coin and reports the results back in an e-mail (seriously!) Then we all bid on what we agree upon, and if we win, cool, if not there's someone else we need to get into our ring. Also, those who can't make it there all the time (me) can rely on the others to post the juicy items here. We can all chime in on what we want and how much to pay. One person can then go fill out the bid form and submit it. Would this be considered a conspiracy? Anyway, who's in? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:20:49 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA11270; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14249 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:20:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14244 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA00389 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:20:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980721141452.3c5f155a@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 157 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > Blech. The government hates me. ('course, I hate the government so it > works out. 8^) The gubment doesn't hate you, they just want your money. Yeah, and I guess they hate you to. Or at least have contempt for you. > How many did you have last year? About 30? How many vendors do you have > signed up so far? I did indeed have 30 spaces last year...too many it turned out. So far I have one paying vendor for sure: Asale Kimaada. She was there last year. > This would be good anyway, because we can take turns watching other > people's stuff while they see the exhibits and such. Good idea. > Baby Blue CP/M Card for PC's Ooh! What's this? How much you want for it? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:27:43 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA12611; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14268 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:27:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14263 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:27:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA02183 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:27:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <19980722203319.437911cf.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 158 On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Now you're getting into the swing of this. "Sorry but that's > reserved for someone else". Or you just mark a minium on the tag > of $300 (in pencil) and erase it Tuesday. > "You have not heard how common they are?" Or how "these old one > have a tendency to explode when switched on." And "they are just > big paper weights if you don't have the right software" ;) > Oh boy, it time for me to go home, I'm getting silly. Doug, this is a whole new side of you! How about: "Did you know 'IMSAI' stands for 'Induce Might Satan Against Infidels'" (for the Christians) "IMSAI? The guy who invented that molested children!" "IMSAI? Those are just Commodore 64's with a front panel" "IMSAI? The guy who invented that was GAY!" (for the homophobes) Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:32:42 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA03751; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14291 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14286 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:32:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA03679 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 159 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Paul E Coad wrote: > There must be people on this list who are willing to pay more than $100. > Even if there are not, there is too much loose money in the pockets of > nerds in this area to have a chance. Now, if someone was to write > $4000 on the lot sheet... The max I would pay for another IMSAI is also $100. However, I would probably turn around and sell this one to make a quick $1000 to use towards VCF. I think the dynamics of the WS bid is much different than eBay, so I don't think you'd have to worry much about someone bidding $1000 on an IMSAI. I would guess that there's a collector in the Bay Area unbeknownst to us who would probably bid as much as $300. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 01:43:01 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA07303; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA14313 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (mailhub1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.38]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA14308 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcoad@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA07229 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff In-Reply-To: <199807230803.BAA09138@squeep.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 160 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Seth J. Morabito wrote: > > > > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > > > > > I have 2 front panels and a turnkey. If I had another, I would > > > sell it. How many IMSAIs can you boot at once? I thought there > > > was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If > > > thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. > > > > Sure, we should all do what we can to help the IMSAIless, but the bidding > > process sort of ensures that the person who wants it the most, gets it. I > > Screw the IMSAI's, when do they put out the mint condition 4K PDP-8 with > matching ASR/33 TeleType and FORTRAN tape? :) > > OK, alright, alright, I'll settle for a PDP-11/34 with two RK06s, > six or seven spare packs, and RSX-11M+. See, I'm easy to please :) > I've been in the back at WS. It's like Mecca, man. You can't take more than a step or two without slipping on FORTRAN tapes, tripping over 8's or 11's, or getting tangled up in paper tape. You should see the the pdp-2 they have back there. Sweet. It's still in shrinkwrap! Seriously, there is more at WS than what is in the "front". The real problem is that there are businesses out there who depend on older machines and are willing to pay RealMoney(TM) for replacement parts. If they can't get big bucks for some things then they are scrapped. Tons of stuff doesn't even make it to the front. Your best bet is to let them know what you want and then hope to find it elsewhere. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Antique Computer Collection: http://www.wco.com/~pcoad/machines.html From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 11:01:16 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27453; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14816 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14811 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 11:00:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id KAA10417 for baccl@retronet.net; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:57:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id KAA05394; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:43:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807231743.KAA05394@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 23 Jul 1998 10:43:16 -0700 In-Reply-To: Sam Ismail's message of Thu, 23 Jul 1998 01:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 161 Sam Ismail wrote: > I think the dynamics of the WS bid is much different than eBay, so I don't > think you'd have to worry much about someone bidding $1000 on an IMSAI. I > would guess that there's a collector in the Bay Area unbeknownst to us who > would probably bid as much as $300. Speaking of collectors unbeknownst to us, how do other interested Bay Area folks get on this list? I *do* know collectors who don't read classiccmp or newsgroups in general because they don't have time for it, but are aware of baccl and are interested in a lower-volume local-interest list. Is it OK to tell them to do the typical Majordomo subscribe thing? -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 18:08:58 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29940; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15152 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15135 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg134-170.ricochet.net [204.179.134.170]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04592 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980723093216.2d3f648a@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: WeirdStuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 162 At 01:15 AM 7/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >Well, I don't expect and I certainly don't hope one of us would fuck the >other. Unless, of course, it was consentual all around, and we all used condoms. 8^) (Sorry, couldn't resist.) >You watch, WeirdStuff will soon be in the busy of dealing in "antique >computers". Yep. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 18:09:01 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29913; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15142 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15129 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:07:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg134-170.ricochet.net [204.179.134.170]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04580 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980723083456.2d97eaec@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: WeirdStuff Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 163 At 08:00 PM 7/22/98 -0700, you wrote: >was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If >thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. Well, I don't have one, but I'm in no position to pay $300 for one, and, although I'd certainly enjoy having one, I'd rather spend the money I don't have one portables... (But just you wait until I win the lottery! 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 18:09:02 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29964; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15160 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15141 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:07:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg134-170.ricochet.net [204.179.134.170]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA04596 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:09:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980723093824.2d3fb064@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 164 At 01:20 AM 7/23/98 -0700, you wrote: >The gubment doesn't hate you, they just want your money. Yeah, and I >guess they hate you to. Or at least have contempt for you. Trust me, they hate me. It's okay, though. Someday I'm going to take them over, and then watch those bureaucrats grovel! Buhwa-ha-ha-ha! 8^) >I did indeed have 30 spaces last year...too many it turned out. So far I >have one paying vendor for sure: Asale Kimaada. She was there last year. That's it? I'll talk to the HMR guys if you like. >> Baby Blue CP/M Card for PC's > >Ooh! What's this? How much you want for it? It's an ISA card to let you run CP/M on a PC (has an onboard Z80, iirc) in the original box. Dunno what to ask for it; mebbe I should put it on eBay? 8^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 18:26:09 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA24513; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA15194 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA15189 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:25:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA24069 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:25:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:25:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980723093824.2d3fb064@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 165 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > It's an ISA card to let you run CP/M on a PC (has an onboard Z80, iirc) in > the original box. Dunno what to ask for it; mebbe I should put it on eBay? > 8^) FWIW, some guy is selling Apple emulation cards for the PC on Haggle for about $20 last I checked. Of course, if you have a V20 in your PC, it has an 8080 mode and should be able to run CP/M software. I always wanted to try this, but never got around to it. Anybody else? -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 19:16:16 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27708; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15245 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15240 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:15:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA11658 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:15:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: <3.0.16.19980723093824.2d3fb064@mail.sinasohn.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 166 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Roger Sinasohn wrote: > >I did indeed have 30 spaces last year...too many it turned out. So far I > >have one paying vendor for sure: Asale Kimaada. She was there last year. > > That's it? I'll talk to the HMR guys if you like. Sure. Go for it! > >> Baby Blue CP/M Card for PC's > > > >Ooh! What's this? How much you want for it? > > It's an ISA card to let you run CP/M on a PC (has an onboard Z80, iirc) in > the original box. Dunno what to ask for it; mebbe I should put it on eBay? Well, I'm interested, but I don't know if I have anything to give you in trade. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 19:19:15 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28862; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15261 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:18:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15256 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:18:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA12655 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: WeirdStuff plan Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 167 So, I take it nobody liked my idea to collude on the WeirdStuff auctions?? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 19:29:34 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15894; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15283 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:29:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15278 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:28:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg134-170.ricochet.net [204.179.134.170]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA11668 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:30:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980723192913.467736fe@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 168 At 08:25 PM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >FWIW, some guy is selling Apple emulation cards for the PC on Haggle for >about $20 last I checked. Of course, if you have a V20 in your PC, it has >an 8080 mode and should be able to run CP/M software. I always wanted to >try this, but never got around to it. Anybody else? I seem to recall someone mentioning that as a cheap way to get a CP/M laptop on comp.sys.cpm or something. I wouldn't mind trying someday either. (I think I have a tube of V20's around here somewhere.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 19:46:32 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA22082; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15312 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA15307 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA10267 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:46:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:46:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 169 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > So, I take it nobody liked my idea to collude on the WeirdStuff auctions?? I thought it was Doug C's idea (just in case there's legal action). I think Paul volunteered to be the winner, so the only thing left to do is beat up the competing bidders. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 21:15:18 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10753; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15388 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:14:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15383 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:14:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:31:47 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:31:46 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:58:55 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: WeirdStuff plan In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980723213147.48d52849.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 170 At 09:46 PM 7/23/98 -0500, Doug wrote: >On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: >> So, I take it nobody liked my idea to collude on the WeirdStuff auctions?? > >I thought it was Doug C's idea (just in case there's legal action). I >think Paul volunteered to be the winner, so the only thing left to do is >beat up the competing bidders. >-- Doug Yes, count me in. I probably was not to clear yeterday. I don't have any interest in accumulating another IMSAI. But,I think it would be cool if we all had at least one, then we can start working on this guy that has all the Spheres.(Someone on the list the other day said he had every model they made.) Anyway, maybe we just need to bribe someone down there at Weird Stuff. Yea! Pay off one of them to take a video camera around the warehouse and shoot video of all the old machines. Yea! And then you ask them if they have "XYZ" machine,(you know they do) "you need one for spare parts." Yea! ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 21:34:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18141; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15428 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:34:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA15423 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 21:34:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA05325 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:35 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff plan In-Reply-To: <19980723213147.48d52849.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 171 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Yea! Pay off one of them to take a video camera around the warehouse > and shoot video of all the old machines. Yea! A Very Good Idea(TM). They're already into webcams at WeirdStuff, so all we need to do is help them roboticize it, so we can zoom and pan around their warehouse. I can handle the web front-end if somebody can tackle the electronics. I'll even donate a couple of wireless transcievers to the project so we can have a completely mobile spy (OK, I'd settle for multiple camera views). -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 23 23:34:56 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00412; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA15526 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA15521 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA00322 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 23:34:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff plan In-Reply-To: <19980723213147.48d52849.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 172 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Yes, count me in. I probably was not to clear yeterday. I don't > have any interest in accumulating another IMSAI. But,I think it > would be cool if we all had at least one, then we can start > working on this guy that has all the Spheres.(Someone on the > list the other day said he had every model they made.) That was one of the RCS/RI guys. Let's see...it wasn't Donzelli. I forget his name. > Anyway, maybe we just need to bribe someone down there at > Weird Stuff. I think that Vietnam vet guy can be corrupted. All he wants is a sympathetic ear. Start listening to him and pretend to empathize to win his favor. Then start slowly dropping hints to him. We can bribe him with Saigon whores. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 00:05:27 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA06573; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15567 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:04:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15562 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:04:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06547 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:49:27 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 01:49:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 173 On Thu, 23 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > I think that Vietnam vet guy can be corrupted. All he wants is a > sympathetic ear. Start listening to him and pretend to empathize to win > his favor. Then start slowly dropping hints to him. We can bribe him > with Saigon whores. Bring me the whores. I already gave him my card and a list of stuff I'm looking for. I'll save you leftovers. Speeaking of which, here's a partial inventory of the palette I brought home: http://www.yowza.com/classiccmp/parts/ I'm still trying to figure out what some of the other stuff is (like the Trendicator II). If you need a few of the things that I indicate I have in quantity > 50, lemme know. And tell me what those fuses are used in, would you? -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 00:36:18 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA12136; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15608 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:35:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15603 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcoad@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA12079 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:36:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 174 On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > While I'm at it, who is going to sell this year, and what will you be > bringing? This will give me a good idea of how many spaces I should set > aside for the guys that helped make the show a success. > Okay I've put off responding long enough. I'll likely be selling stuff either officially or out of my trunk. I'll likely be selling some books, software, games, a mac+ if I can get some boot disks for it, a couple of boxes of vic-20 stuff, TI 99/4mumble, and possibly some other bits. Basicly anything which I can't get rid of before then and is outside of my main areas of interest. I wouldn't mind sharing space and time. Anyone interested? I might even be able to get my wife to mind the shop for a while. What is the entrance for spouses of vendors/exhibitors? I would have liked to have attended more of the workshops/presentations last year, but didn't want to leave the stuff unattended for too long. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 00:44:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA11148; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15627 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:44:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15622 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13673 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:44:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 175 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Paul E Coad wrote: > I wouldn't mind sharing space and time. Anyone interested? I might even > be able to get my wife to mind the shop for a while. What is the entrance > for spouses of vendors/exhibitors? I would have liked to have attended > more of the workshops/presentations last year, but didn't want to leave > the stuff unattended for too long. Spoues/SO's of helpers are admitted free. If we could put together a consignment table for us and have each person take a turn manning it for an hour (or one of our spouses/SO's) then that would probably work out well for all. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 00:56:15 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA15639; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA15652 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA15647 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 00:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA23713 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:56:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 02:56:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 176 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Paul E Coad wrote: > I wouldn't mind sharing space and time. Anyone interested? I might even Me. Are we limited to vintage computer stuff, or can I also bring some later computer stuff and some utter junk (like my trendicator II 6-channel digital thermometer)? Oh, and the thing I bought at WeirdStuff that I thought I wanted: a like-new in-the-box LCD projector panel turned out to be for a Mac. I don't do Macs, so if this thing turns you on (like if your girlfriend is a teacher who uses Macs), lemme know, otherwise it gets fed to the online auction weenies. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 09:51:51 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29717; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA16127 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16122 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:50:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10570 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 09:51:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 177 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > Me. Are we limited to vintage computer stuff, or can I also bring some > later computer stuff and some utter junk (like my trendicator II 6-channel > digital thermometer)? The guidelines for what's acceptable are at: http://www.siconic.com/vcf/vendor.htm Gotta keep up some standards so basically the general 10 year rule applies. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 12:44:30 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14001; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA16260 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA16255 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:15:15 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:15:15 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:45:02 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Vendors In-Reply-To: References: <19980723213147.48d52849.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980724131515.00808dc9.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 178 At 11:34 PM 7/23/98 -0700, Sam wrote: > We can bribe him with Saigon whores. It just occured to me that this list is beening archived. Right? Wednesday when I when to SoftFair at the Convention Center, I noticed that they have a ATM machine in the lobby. That's a big plus for VCF vendors. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 13:49:58 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11268; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16320 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:49:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16315 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11027 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Vendors In-Reply-To: <19980724131515.00808dc9.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 179 On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > It just occured to me that this list is beening archived. Right? > > Wednesday when I when to SoftFair at the Convention Center, I > noticed that they have a ATM machine in the lobby. That's a big > plus for VCF vendors. Great! This year we'll also have a phone line (well, we did last year too but I didn't do much with it). If there's enough time to coordinate I can arrange for the line to be shared by the vendors so they can use their credit card machines if they have one. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 13:54:44 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13319; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA16339 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail3.sirius.com (mail3.sirius.com [205.134.253.133]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA16334 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rax@warbaby.com) Received: from [205.134.227.122] (ppp-asfm02--083.sirius.net [205.134.240.83]) by mail3.sirius.com (8.8.7/Sirius-8.8.7-97.08.12) with ESMTP id NAA28404 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:05:36 -0800 To: baccl@retronet.net From: Rax Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 180 >Oh, and the thing I bought at WeirdStuff that I thought I wanted: a >like-new in-the-box LCD projector panel turned out to be for a Mac. I >don't do Macs, so if this thing turns you on (like if your girlfriend is >a teacher who uses Macs), lemme know, otherwise it gets fed to the online >auction weenies. > >-- Doug I'd be interested in this gizmo, depending on price. Also, re: the actual subject of this mail - I may have a few things to sell, but not enough for a table. Anyone interested in sharing a little space? R. -- Warbaby The WebSite. The Domain. The Empire. http://www.warbaby.com The MonkeyPool WebSite Content Development http://www.monkeypool.com Dreadlocks on white boys give me the willies. From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 15:22:10 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00344; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:22:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA16418 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA16413 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:52:51 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:52:50 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:22:37 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Vendors In-Reply-To: References: <19980724131515.00808dc9.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980724155251.0110dc1c.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 181 >On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I noticed that they have a ATM machine in the lobby. I forgot to say that the IBM Credit Union ATM is only a block and a half away in case this one runs out of money. >I may have a few things to sell, but not enough for a table. >Anyone interested in sharing a little space? I HOPE to have plenty to sell and I don't mind sharing a table with anyone. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 17:00:24 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18290; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA16498 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA16493 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id QAA13320 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id QAA01648; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 16:38:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807242338.QAA01648@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Vendors References: <19980723213147.48d52849.in@mail.pressstart.com> <19980724131515.00808dc9.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 24 Jul 1998 16:38:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Doug Coward"'s message of Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:45:02 -0700 Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 182 "Doug Coward" wrote: > It just occured to me that this list is beening archived. Right? Right. I've recently been archiving this list and classiccmp, mostly just to see if I can, and a little bit out of frustration with the existing classiccmp archives (though Kevan Heydon got his going again a couple of weeks ago). I've no plans to make either archive generally accessible. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 17:11:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06389; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16526 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16521 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id RAA11316 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:16:37 -0700 Message-Id: <199807250016.RAA11316@squeep.com> Subject: Re: Vendors To: baccl@retronet.net Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:16:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199807242338.QAA01648@daemonweed.reanimators.org> from "Frank McConnell" at Jul 24, 98 04:38:02 pm From: "Seth J. Morabito" X-Frog-Flavor: Extra-Crunchy Content-Type: text Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 183 > > "Doug Coward" wrote: > > It just occured to me that this list is beening archived. Right? > > Right. I've recently been archiving this list and classiccmp, mostly > just to see if I can, and a little bit out of frustration with the > existing classiccmp archives (though Kevan Heydon got his going again > a couple of weeks ago). I've no plans to make either archive > generally accessible. > > -Frank McConnell Both this archive (baccl) and the classiccmp archive are available through the majordomo archiving system. Just send a message to majordomo@u.washington.edu with just 'help' in the body of your message. There are various commands for manipulating and retrieving archives by month. I dug around and found out how to do it when I got frustrated with the lack of current web-based archives of 'classiccmp'. -Seth -- "It looks just like a Telefunken U47! Seth J. Morabito You'll love it." - Frank Zappa sethm@loomcom.com From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 17:34:26 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13285; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16555 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:33:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16550 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:33:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-195.ricochet.net [204.179.130.195]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29247 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:34:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980724142659.28c7092c@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: WeirdStuff plan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 184 At 11:34 PM 7/23/98 -0500, you wrote: >A Very Good Idea(TM). They're already into webcams at WeirdStuff, so all >we need to do is help them roboticize it, so we can zoom and pan around >their warehouse. I can handle the web front-end if somebody can tackle >the electronics. I'll even donate a couple of wireless transcievers to >the project so we can have a completely mobile spy (OK, I'd settle for Don't tell weirdstuff, just send it in. Then we can send it in back at HMR too. (Today's haul includes a Bondwell B310SX and a DG Walkabout SX.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 17:34:36 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13348; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA16571 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA16562 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Roger@Sinasohn.com) Received: from .ricochet.net (mg130-195.ricochet.net [204.179.130.195]) by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA29269 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:35:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:35:07 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.16.19980724143737.28c70b98@mail.sinasohn.com> X-Sender: rogersina@mail.sinasohn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: baccl@retronet.net From: Roger Sinasohn Subject: Re: Who's going to be selling at VCF 2.0? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 185 At 02:56 AM 7/24/98 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, and the thing I bought at WeirdStuff that I thought I wanted: a >like-new in-the-box LCD projector panel turned out to be for a Mac. I >don't do Macs, so if this thing turns you on (like if your girlfriend is >a teacher who uses Macs), lemme know, otherwise it gets fed to the online Oooh... Rachel has been at a Technology Leadership thingie all week learning how to a) put technology to use in the classroom (which she mostly knew, but now she's hot to get a digital camera) and b) how to put on a similar class for the teachers in her district. Anyway, one of the things she wants to get now is (you guessed it) an LCD projector panel. And yes, she uses macs. So, what do you want for it? (wanna know what insane is? Rachel bought herself a new car to celebrate 5 years of elem. school teaching. Now she's pissed because she wishes she'd saved her money to buy a digital camera, scanner, and more macs for the classroom.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 18:29:50 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23849; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16625 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from goldrush.com (goldrush.com [206.171.171.1]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16620 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:29:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from foxnhare@goldrush.com) Received: from goldrush.com (JX-100.goldrush.com [207.104.48.100]) by goldrush.com (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA11374 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <35B935F9.DD2DA58E@goldrush.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 18:33:45 -0700 From: Larry Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: WeirdStuff References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 186 Doug Yowza wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > > > I have 2 front panels and a turnkey. If I had another, I would > > sell it. How many IMSAIs can you boot at once? Stack em up reeeal high and a good swift kick with a steel-toe boot ...oh wait, that's a Windows boot procedure... As for me you can never have too many classics bootable at the same time! But it all depends on your curcuit breakers... and what sort of desk/shelf/table/closet/floor space (walls and ceiling too with appropriate carpentry skills) and outlets you got. (=)) > > I thought there > > was someone here on the list that did not already have one. If > > thats not so, O.K. But I think everyone needs at least one. > I don't! but it's not a Commodore nor does it have a 6502 (or related) processor... A KIM on the otherhand I'd be interested in... ;) I have been reading on Peddle's Victor too sounds like a cool machine as well. > Sure, we should all do what we can to help the IMSAIless, but the bidding > process sort of ensures that the person who wants it the most, gets it. I > can't think of a better selection process. Remember, this is not a > competitive bid, it's a sealed bid. I, for example, am willing to spend > about $50 for another IMSAI. > (It's hard to find software for them, I sometimes e-mail those lusers who spam about having 'everything in the way of software' on alt.folklore.computers by asking for tape software for my PETs and P-500. They seem pretty uppity and don't respond, they probably have only TRS-80 stuff... :D > and > they tend to explode when you turn them on, but the cat finds they make > great litter boxes.) Also cat warmers. Ohh! Exploding computers! Let's see, the PET (not really explodes but does burn out a chip on the right models with the right poke), Powerbook 5300, Computers with lithium parts, and the IMSAI, hey a new sub category for computer collecting! Dangerous PCs, heck why stop there, add in some of those too dangerous for fingers printers, some marginal (large) hard drives, etc. We could make classic computing a dare-devil sport! -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (300-2400bd) (209) 754-1363 Visit my Commodore 8-Bit web page at: http://www.goldrush.com/~foxnhare/commodore.html -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 24 23:23:55 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA19494; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA16847 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16842 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA10582 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 23:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Anyone need ASR33 paper tape? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 187 Chuck McManis, the guy who's doing the PDP-8/11 exhibit, bought a bunch of ASR33 paper tape rolls and is willing to sell the extras he doesn't need at cost for $6.50 a piece. Any takers? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 25 23:00:42 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29050; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:00:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19795 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19790 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id WAA17993 for baccl@retronet.net; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:56:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id WAA29053; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 22:31:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807260531.WAA29053@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Weird Stuff bid sale report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 25 Jul 1998 22:31:20 -0700 Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 188 I went, I saw, I looked around. Stuff that looked like it might be interesting to someone: . VAXstation 3500? with monitor -- the base unit is a floor-standing thing that looks like it could hold a Q-bus, and there's a monitor there with it. I don't do DEC, so I'll leave it to someone else to get excitable about this. . two lots each with an Amiga 1000 base unit and other semirandom stuff. The one toward the back has what looks like an IBM-compatible keyboard and mouse -- like I said, "other semirandom stuff". . several lots of Apple //-family machines -- I noted one ][+, one //e, one //e platinum, and that there was other stuff. . two lots of IBM Selectric typewriters -- mostly Selectric IIs in a sort of mashed-peas green, but also some Selectric Is on each pallet. Yeah, not computers, but if y'all know any typewriter collectors.... . two Sun 3s, still there from last time. . oh yeah, a Sun 3/150 chassis. Hmm, I think it had the SCSI and CPU cards in it. . a California Computer Systems S-100 chassis (gray) with another chassis containing a dual 8" disk drive. The cover's off the CCS box, and inside are what appear to be the typical older-style CCS Z80 card (and RS-232 port), 64KB RAM card, and disk controller. Also the S-100 card part of a PMMI MM-103 modem (the "coupler" box is missing). No disks or docs. I put in a $26.00 bid on this but don't really need it. Feel free to out-bid me and/or ask me about it afterward; I think I have docs for all of the hardware in there. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Sat Jul 25 23:40:07 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06341; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA19833 for baccl-outgoing; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:39:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA19828 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA06492 for ; Sun, 26 Jul 1998 01:39:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 01:39:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: TRW field trip In-Reply-To: <199807260531.WAA29053@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 189 If you're ever in LA on the last Saturday of the month, you gotta go. I didn't find any rare treasures, but from the stuff I did get this one trip, I can imagine that treasures abound. It's about the same size as Foothill, but much more buyer traffic. Stuff I nabbed this trip: * a very nice Heathkit ET-3400, fully functional, docs, original shipping box and receipt (1980). * An HP41CX w/card reader and docs * An HP75C with modem docking station * a Poqet PC with floppy (at last!) * an M100 and 8201a (why not) * and best of all, a Science Fair Microprocessor Trainer. This is like a little Altair for kids: TMS1000 (4-bitter) + 7-seg LED + binary LEDs + hex keypad + speaker in one of those cheesey paper/plastic Radio Shack boxes. A lot of fun! -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 12:41:16 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA11801; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21568 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21563 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:40:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:56:26 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:56:26 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:25:21 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: <199807260531.WAA29053@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980727125626.0fe30097.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 190 At 10:31 PM 7/25/98 -0700, Frank wrote: >I went, I saw, I looked around. Thanks for taking the time to do this report. I still don't make over there until Tuesday. Even though I drive right by on the way to work, Mondays I'm lucky if I can find my way to work. >. two lots of IBM Selectric typewriters -- mostly Selectric IIs in a sort of > mashed-peas green, but also some Selectric Is on each pallet. Yeah, not > computers, but if y'all know any typewriter collectors.... Didn't one model of Selectric have a RS-232 port? I seem to remember that some people used them as terminals. Anybody remember something about this? >. two Sun 3s, still there from last time. > >. oh yeah, a Sun 3/150 chassis. Hmm, I think it had the SCSI and CPU > cards in it. I saw a Sun 3/50 at Mike Quinn's on Saturday. Since I don't know any thing about Sun's, I don't know if thats good or bad. In another question about Linux. Does anyone have an opinion about Caldera Linux? ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 12:49:14 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02403; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21587 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21582 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:48:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:20:38 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:20:38 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:33 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Anyone need ASR33 paper tape? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980727132038.0ff928c5.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 191 At 11:23 PM 7/24/98 -0700, you wrote: >Chuck McManis, the guy who's doing the PDP-8/11 exhibit, bought a bunch of >ASR33 paper tape rolls and is willing to sell the extras he doesn't need >at cost for $6.50 a piece. Any takers? Is it oiled? I already have a couple of oiled rolls. If it not, then when I get a ASR-33 (Hint Hint) I would need some. On another note, if you're into single board computers, I'll bet you don't have a Z8. Over at Alltronics, to the right of the cash register (almost to the racks of wire), on the floor against the counter, is a box of Zilog Z8 prototyping boards. They have some type of monitor in EPROM, RS-232 port and a prototyping area. I think I got one for $10. It was a while back but they were still there last week. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 12:49:43 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA16014; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21603 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21598 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15816 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: <19980727125626.0fe30097.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 192 On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I saw a Sun 3/50 at Mike Quinn's on Saturday. Since I don't know > any thing about Sun's, I don't know if thats good or bad. Jay wanted about $200 for that thing when I asked about it. I don't even know if it works. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 12:52:02 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03693; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA21622 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:51:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21617 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA16975 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:51:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Anyone need ASR33 paper tape? In-Reply-To: <19980727132038.0ff928c5.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 193 On Mon, 27 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Is it oiled? I already have a couple of oiled rolls. If it not, > then when I get a ASR-33 (Hint Hint) I would need some. I'll asked. Actually, I should get Chuck's e-mail address for you, and have him join this list since he's a BA local. > On another note, if you're into single board computers, I'll > bet you don't have a Z8. Over at Alltronics, to the right of > the cash register (almost to the racks of wire), on the floor > against the counter, is a box of Zilog Z8 prototyping boards. > They have some type of monitor in EPROM, RS-232 port and a > prototyping area. I think I got one for $10. It was a while > back but they were still there last week. Ooh! Ooh! Doug, could you PLEASE go get me one? I won't be in town for the next three weeks or so and won't get a chance to go by. But I really want one so I'd really appreciate if you could snag one for me. Thanks! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 15:30:34 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02109; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA21760 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:29:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from agustina.kjsl.com (Agustina.KJSL.COM [198.137.202.12]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21755 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agustina.kjsl.com (8.8.7/8.8.8/rchk1.19) with UUCP id PAA21588 for baccl@retronet.net; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:26:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc@reanimators.org) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.8.5/8.8.8/rchk1.19) id PAA15290; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 15:12:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <199807272212.PAA15290@daemonweed.reanimators.org> To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report References: <19980727125626.0fe30097.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Frank McConnell Date: 27 Jul 1998 15:12:03 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Doug Coward"'s message of Mon, 27 Jul 1998 12:25:21 -0700 Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 194 "Doug Coward" writes: > Thanks for taking the time to do this report. I still don't > make over there until Tuesday. Even though I drive right by > on the way to work, Mondays I'm lucky if I can find my way to > work. Just thinking about it, maybe noting lot numbers is worthwhile? It's apparently possible to submit bids by FAX, though I'm not sure you'd want to do that on the quality of descriptions I give, and said quality pretty much directly related to my knowledge of and interest in (or amusement at) what's in the lot. > Didn't one model of Selectric have a RS-232 port? I seem to > remember that some people used them as terminals. Anybody > remember something about this? I didn't look too closely at these -- they're on pallets with plastic wrap. I'm thinking that there were people who modified Selectrics for use as printers, but that the IBM terminals (2741s?) were their own thing based on the Selectric design. Don't know for sure though. > I saw a Sun 3/50 at Mike Quinn's on Saturday. Since I don't know any > thing about Sun's, I don't know if thats good or bad. 68020 at MHz, monochrome frame buffer and display, 4MB RAM soldered to the board, SCSI i/f and two serial ports built in. 3rd party memory expansions were made but might be hard to come by. Not worth $200 IMO unless you really need one (and I am hard pressed to imagine really needing a 3/50). Maybe Paul Coad is more interested in them than I am. -Frank McConnell From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 17:00:34 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17358; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 17:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA21836 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA21831 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA13146 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Seller's Permit regulations Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 195 I'm having the selling permit regulations sent my way but basically it works like this: if you sell three items or less during an entire year, you don't need a permit. Otherwise, getting a permit is easy: driver's license, social security number (why a government agency is requiring social is odd, and in fact, AFAIK, criminal...no gov. agency is allowed to request that...hmmm) and they give you one on the spot. On a totally unrelated subject, if you don't report any sales, you don't pay any taxes. Use your own best judgement. PS. Doug S. and Roger, Alex Zoghlin is coming to VCF 2.0. He filled out my survey. PPS. If any of you are at all interested, help me get demographic data to woo potential sponsors with by filling out the survey: http://www.siconic.com/vcf/survey.htm Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/21/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Mon Jul 27 18:47:59 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA28693; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA21928 for baccl-outgoing; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA21923 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pcoad@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (pcoad@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA28432 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 18:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: <199807272212.PAA15290@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 196 On 27 Jul 1998, Frank McConnell wrote: > "Doug Coward" writes: > > > I saw a Sun 3/50 at Mike Quinn's on Saturday. Since I don't know any > > thing about Sun's, I don't know if thats good or bad. > > 68020 at MHz, monochrome frame buffer and display, 4MB RAM > soldered to the board, SCSI i/f and two serial ports built in. 3rd > party memory expansions were made but might be hard to come by. Not > worth $200 IMO unless you really need one (and I am hard pressed to > imagine really needing a 3/50). Maybe Paul Coad is more interested > in them than I am. > $200 for a 3/50 is WAAAYYYY too much by one or more orders of magnitude. $0-20 is more like it. For $26 you can get a 3/50 with a monitor (which will not work with the 3/50 btw) in the bid sale at WS. I'm not saying that if someone were to give me one that I would turn it down. At one (86/87) time it was a good desktop machine and was featured in Frame ads. It was better than any bitty-box in its day. Sure, I'll add one to my collection one day, but not for $200. --pec -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Antique Computer Collection: http://www.wco.com/~pcoad/machines.html From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 28 20:41:09 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11717; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23109 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23104 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:12:35 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:12:35 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:41:45 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980728211235.06a7e548.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 197 > against the counter, is a box of Zilog Z8 prototyping boards. > They have some type of monitor in EPROM, RS-232 port and a > prototyping area. I think I got one for $10. It was a while > back but they were still there last week. Doug,Sam: Sorry, I went over to Alltronics today to get those Z8 board. They still have them but the Buttheads have taken the Z8 and the EPROM out of each board AND they still want $10 each for them! I just left. I didn't ask how much they wanted for the Z8s. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Tue Jul 28 20:46:34 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13260; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA23128 for baccl-outgoing; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:46:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA23123 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA13204 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 20:46:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <19980728211235.06a7e548.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 198 On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Sorry, I went over to Alltronics today to get those Z8 board. > They still have them but the Buttheads have taken the Z8 and > the EPROM out of each board AND they still want $10 each for > them! I just left. I didn't ask how much they wanted for the > Z8s. What kind of shit is that? I'll go over there if I have time on Saturday and bug the fuck out of them. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/26/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 00:23:48 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24144; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:23:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA23295 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:23:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA23290 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 00:23:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA03748 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:23:32 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:23:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Z8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 199 On Tue, 28 Jul 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: > What kind of shit is that? I'll go over there if I have time on Saturday > and bug the fuck out of them. After you fuck the bugs out of them, bring me one of them boards if you can reassemble them for under $15, OK? BTW, taking chips out of boards is basically what those guys do for a living. -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 10:19:01 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05967; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:18:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23814 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA23809 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA05518 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:18:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:18:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Z8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 200 On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Doug Yowza wrote: > After you fuck the bugs out of them, bring me one of them boards if you > can reassemble them for under $15, OK? Will do. > BTW, taking chips out of boards is basically what those guys do for a > living. So? They don't have to be cocks about it. They could in the very least have directed Doug to the chips and stuff. I just spew like this because the mindset of these surplus shops is usually so backwards from those of the collector/preserver. God bless em, but sometimes they can be rather obnoxious. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/26/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 11:48:04 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15792; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA23890 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:47:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23885 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:19:50 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:19:49 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:48:46 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Z8 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980729121950.09e6a0fe.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 201 >After you fuck the bugs out of them, bring me one of them boards if you >can reassemble them for under $15, OK? I'll try looking for my board in case we need to burn more EPROMs. Tuesday, just for giggles I bid on that VAXstation 3500 and on the Sun 3/150 with monitor. I got the Sun for $30.10. (Oh! No! I just gave away my secret bid price). ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 12:29:12 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12670; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23934 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from behemoth.host4u.net (behemoth.host4u.net [209.150.128.29]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA23929 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 12:28:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yowza@yowza.com) Received: from localhost (yowza@localhost) by behemoth.host4u.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01747 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:28:52 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:28:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Doug Yowza X-Sender: yowza@behemoth.host4u.net To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Z8 In-Reply-To: <19980729121950.09e6a0fe.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 202 On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > Tuesday, just for giggles I bid on that VAXstation 3500 and on > the Sun 3/150 with monitor. I got the Sun for $30.10. (Oh! No! > I just gave away my secret bid price). If anybody wants to come visit me in Orange County tomorrow, I'll lead you to a dirt cheap Sun 3/50, TRS-80 mod 4, DECStation 5000/200, Kaypro, Compaq, Apple ][+ and many more. Sorry, my car is already full -- no chance I'm bringing any of that stuff back with me. It's nice to be back in virgin territory where I don't have to compete with you guys. Although, I've been told there's a mysterious computer museum builder with a limp that's been regularly cleaning out the local GoodWill gold mine (they have a computer-only thrift down here; I passed on an in-the-box Laser 128, so they haven't been picked completely clean yet). -- Doug From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 16:02:42 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02744; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24100 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24095 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:02:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:34:30 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:34:30 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:03:24 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: <199807260531.WAA29053@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980729163430.0acfd17d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 203 At 10:31 PM 7/25/98 -0700, Frank wrote: >I went, I saw, I looked around. >. VAXstation 3500? with monitor -- the base unit is a floor-standing > thing that looks like it could hold a Q-bus, and there's a monitor > there with it. I don't do DEC, so I'll leave it to someone else > to get excitable about this. It was really pretty, and it when for $40.00. I checked. Huge monitor. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 16:15:46 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06062; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24125 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24120 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA05900 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:15:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: <19980729163430.0acfd17d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 204 On Wed, 29 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > It was really pretty, and it when for $40.00. I checked. Huge > monitor. You mean if you ask them they will tell you the outcome of the bids? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/26/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Wed Jul 29 16:25:47 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA16578; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA24152 for baccl-outgoing; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:25:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24147 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:25:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:57:40 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:57:40 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 16:26:34 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: Re: Weird Stuff bid sale report In-Reply-To: References: <19980729163430.0acfd17d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980729165740.0ae508b0.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 205 At 04:15 PM 7/29/98 -0700, you wrote: >You mean if you ask them they will tell you the outcome of the bids? If you bid on something and you don't get it, they will tell you what it when for. ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 30 13:17:34 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10554; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25139 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25134 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:16:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:46:19 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:46:18 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:14:58 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: VCF 2.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980730134619.0f5c5f8b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 206 Sam, I just looked at the Events Calender for the Santa Clara Convention Center and it did not mention VCF 2.0. http://santaclara.org/convention.html ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 30 13:27:20 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15020; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:27:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25161 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25156 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA24550 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: VCF 2.0 In-Reply-To: <19980730134619.0f5c5f8b.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 207 On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > I just looked at the Events Calender for the Santa Clara > Convention Center and it did not mention VCF 2.0. > > http://santaclara.org/convention.html I think its because they didn't get my deposit for some reason. I sent it but they said they hadn't received it which is disconcerting. I'll have to call them and folow up on that. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/26/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 30 13:34:33 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18512; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25181 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:34:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25176 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:06:34 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:06:33 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:35:13 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: California Computer Expo Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980730140634.0f6eeadd.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 208 What does Charles Babbage Seymour Cray Lee Felsenstein Bill Gates and Andrew Kay have in common? check out http://www.computer-museum.org/groups/event.html#dinner ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Thu Jul 30 14:45:00 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01112; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA25244 for baccl-outgoing; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.net [204.247.247.54]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA25239 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dastar@ncal.verio.com) Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar@shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00845 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Ismail To: baccl@retronet.net Subject: Re: California Computer Expo In-Reply-To: <19980730140634.0f6eeadd.in@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 209 On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Doug Coward wrote: > What does > Charles Babbage > Seymour Cray > Lee Felsenstein > Bill Gates > and Andrew Kay have in common? check out Wow. Nice event. They even got Cringely. I wonder if I could make that? Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar@siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. September 26 & 27...Vintage Computer Festival 2 See http://www.siconic.com/vcf for details! [Last web page update: 07/26/98] From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 31 11:43:27 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA20166; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26221 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from mail.pressstart.com (mail.pressstart.com [199.108.34.2]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA26216 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dcoward@pressstart.com) Received: by mail.pressstart.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:15:43 -0700 Received: by mail.pressstart.com from pressstart (199.108.34.17::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:15:43 -0700 X-Sender: dcoward@199.108.34.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 11:44:05 -0700 To: baccl@retronet.net From: "Doug Coward" Subject: ***RED ALERT*** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <19980731121543.142ff99d.in@mail.pressstart.com> Sender: owner-baccl@retronet.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: baccl@retronet.net Status: RO X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 210 Well guys, maybe just maybe, Christmas is going to come a little early this year. For the past week, I've been helping someone in Livermore to get his PET 4016 to running. He tells me about this other guy in Pittsburg that has a 7500 s.f. warehouse of computers that he wants to get rid of. I thought of all of you. I called him this morning, and set up an appointment for tomorrow (Saturday) at 1:00 to look at what he has. I avoided using the 'C' word, I told him that I belong to a group that tries to PRESERVE older computers. What did he said? * He said his wife wants the computers gone. Or she'll divorce him. * He said she is willing to let him keep 6 486s but the rest has to go. * He said that he is not apposed to sell individual computers, but he is much more interested in selling the whole lot. And he is willing to make a deal. * He said the first floor is 7500 s.f. and the computers are "laid out". Also on the 3rd floor he has 4 "skids" of computers. * Now these are not all old computers. He said he has quite a few 286s. * He mentioned California Computer Systems * I said DEC, he said he has a 11/23. * He also mentioned Apollo computer, Radius monitors, and Sun computers. * He said he has telephone communcation equipment. * He mentioned lots of mystery boards. Now is there anyone interested in going with me to look at this stuff tomorrow? If you don't want to drive, I can pick you up at the Pittsburg BART station at about 11:30-12:00. I want to get everyone that wants to go, together before we go to the warehouse. I think this could be a good opportunity to pick up some nice computers and make a few bucks too. Remember that much of the stuff that Weird Stuff sells in their Bid Sale is on consignment. Get back to me today! ========================================= Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com Senior Software Engineer Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA Curator Museum of Personal Computing Machinery http://www.best.com/~dcoward/museum ========================================= From owner-baccl@retronet.net Fri Jul 31 12:44:56 1998 Received: from retronet.net ([209.31.5.23]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA25199; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:44:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26278 for baccl-outgoing; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-baccl@retronet.net) Received: from squeep.com (sethm@yiffy.squeep.com [209.31.5.9]) by retronet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26273 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sethm@squeep.com) Received: (from sethm@localhost) by squeep.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA06495 for baccl@retronet.net; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 12:50:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199807311950.MAA06495@squeep.com> Subject: Re: ***RED ALERT*** To: bac