From ???@??? Wed Feb 16 11:00:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA00951 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:52:30 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 8290 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2000 22:52:23 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 8288 invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2000 22:52:09 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 22:52:09 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29156 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:56:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14141 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:52:02 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16794 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:52:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002152252.OAA16794@civic.hal.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:52:02 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: EC-1 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P78D50.CNM Hi Well I've finally picked one up. I, of course, over payed, but damn, I wanted one. I was lucky that is was posted to a section of eBay that wasn't generally watched by all. Now I can do the bouncing ball on my oscilloscope. I'm telling you, I need help! Dwight From ???@??? Wed Feb 16 11:00:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01043 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:08:01 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 8830 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2000 03:07:44 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 8828 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2000 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 03:07:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13256 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:09:37 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:09:37 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Lilith In-Reply-To: <200002152252.OAA16794@civic.hal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P620A0.CNM Mofo Roger tried to snag a rare and unusual Ampere WS-1 from some guy in Switzerland with a web museum. He failed (he'll need to find another way to fill me with envy), but he succeeded in unearthing an even rarer and more unusual machine: the Lilith. Add this puppy to your Holy Grail list: http://www.bolo.ch/curio2.html -- Doug From ???@??? Wed Feb 16 11:00:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA01186 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:59:35 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 9651 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2000 08:59:30 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9649 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2000 08:59:28 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 08:59:28 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000216085928.KHLU13956.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:59:28 -0800 Message-ID: <38AA6697.9C6EE0A6@home.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:57:59 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: test References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2F040.CNM Just testing to see if I can get out from home. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Wed Feb 16 11:00:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01452 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:22:58 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 10879 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2000 18:22:53 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10877 invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2000 18:22:52 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 18:22:52 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14572 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:27:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22745 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05552 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:22:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002161822.KAA05552@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:22:48 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <38AA6697.9C6EE0A6@home.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0B190.CNM Doug Coward wrote: > Just testing to see if I can get out from home. > --Doug What is the matter Doug? Do you need to be rescued? Are you being held captive in your own home? Should we come as an armed force? Did you see that I finally got a EC-1? Dwight From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 22:51:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA01582 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:06:15 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 13924 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 19:06:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13922 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 19:06:09 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 19:06:09 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04791 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:10:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23123 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:06:07 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA28516 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:06:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002171906.LAA28516@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:06:05 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: A real dreamer X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P412A0.CNM Hi All Check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262463769 Dwight From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:12:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01682 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:07:13 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 14382 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 23:07:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 14380 invoked by alias); 17 Feb 2000 23:07:05 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 23:07:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16806 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:09:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:09:04 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: ENIAC for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P22240.CNM http://skinner.lycos.com/special/tsr_eniac.html From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:14:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01743 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:38:48 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 14690 invoked by alias); 18 Feb 2000 01:38:44 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 14688 invoked by alias); 18 Feb 2000 01:38:43 -0000 Received: from smtp5.jps.net (209.63.224.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 18 Feb 2000 01:38:43 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-141-19.stk.jps.net [216.224.141.19]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA13866 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:38:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38ACA17E.9A9C2893@jps.net> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:33:51 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Classic Article in Wired Magazine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P11780.CNM Forwarded e-mail from Robert Bernardo (Fresno Commodore Users Group) > In the March 2000 issue of Wired magazine (on the newsstands now), > there > is an article entitled, "Never Say Die"; subcaptioned, "For countless > TRS-80 and Commodore 64 loyalists, the trailing edge is the high > ground > of technology". Written by Mark Frauenfelder, the article gives a > generally favorable review of users who use older computers, computers > like the Commodore, Amiga, the older Mac, TRS-80 Model 102, Apple II, > DEC > VAX, and others. The article mentions that many of these types of > computers were gathered at last year's Vintage Computer Festival. > > Of particular note are the quotes from Doug Cotton of Creative Micro > Designs and Maurice Randall "who has finished coding the machine's > inaugural Web browser". > > The Wired article is on pages 238-245 of the magazine. > > Truly, > Robert Bernardo > Fresno Commodore User Group > > I wonder if he has his picture in it, Will have to track it down on tomorrows outing -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:17:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02477 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:53:18 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 17864 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 02:53:15 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17862 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 02:53:14 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 02:53:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02473 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:53:09 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:53:09 -0800 (PST) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Andy Hertzfield saves the world again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5FE80.CNM Andy and some other shmoes are going to make Linux easy to use by creating a whole new GUI for it. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1552097.html Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:17:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02486 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:57:11 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 17896 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 02:57:10 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17894 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 02:57:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02482 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:57:05 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Hella sweet! Linux in BIOS! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P018F0.CNM Check this out. Linux in the BIOS. Boot right into Linux when you turn your system on: http://www.acl.lanl.gov/linuxbios/ Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:17:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02546 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:03:58 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 18194 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 05:03:58 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18192 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 05:03:57 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 05:03:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02542 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:03:52 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Need some peecee hardware Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1D270.CNM I'm looking for the following: - PentiumPro CPU - Misc. CHEEP Pentium CPUs (any speed above 100Mhz) - A DEAD Seagate CABO hard drive of type ST31621A (I have a good drive with a bad circuit board) Anyone know where I can find stuff like this cheap? Thanks! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:17:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02538 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:03:14 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 18169 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 05:03:13 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18167 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 05:03:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19022 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:05:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:05:04 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: Andy Hertzfield saves the world again In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29B50.CNM On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, DASTAR COM wrote: > Andy and some other shmoes are going to make Linux easy to use by creating > a whole new GUI for it. Great, just what the world needs: Magic Cap for Linux. (What was the name of that Apple ][ demo Hertzfeld wrote? The one with the dancing guy and the TV set. In 1979, I thought that was the coolest thing I had ever seen.) -- Doug From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:17:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02558 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:11:59 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 18233 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 05:11:59 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18231 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 05:11:59 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 05:11:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02554 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:11:51 -0800 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:11:51 -0800 (PST) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: Andy Hertzfield saves the world again Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3C220.CNM > (What was the name of that Apple ][ demo Hertzfeld wrote? The one with > the dancing guy and the TV set. In 1979, I thought that was the coolest > thing I had ever seen.) AppleVision! I LOVED that stupid demo! I was mezmerized by it and wondered how they were able tp print text on the graphics screen. I later came to the realization that it was a implement in graphics of course. The basic code was Integer BASIC but it called the machine language routines to do the animation and music. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:18:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02941 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:29:57 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 20085 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 19:29:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20083 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 19:29:53 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 19:29:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 3223 invoked by uid 342); 19 Feb 2000 18:45:36 -0000 Date: 19 Feb 2000 18:45:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000219184536.3222.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: doug@planetdoug.com CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: (message from Doug Salot on Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:05:04 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Andy Hertzfield saves the world again References: Status: X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P6D570.CNM > (What was the name of that Apple ][ demo Hertzfeld wrote? The one with > the dancing guy and the TV set. In 1979, I thought that was the coolest > thing I had ever seen.) Um, AppleVision by Bob Bishop? It was distributed with DOS 3.2. Hertzfeld's famous Apple ][ programs where "Infinite Number of Monkeys" and "The Great American Probability Machine". They were in the Contributed Software Library. From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:18:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02950 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:41:41 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 20134 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 19:41:42 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20132 invoked by alias); 19 Feb 2000 19:41:41 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2000 19:41:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19759 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:43:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Andy Hertzfield saves the world again In-Reply-To: <20000219184536.3222.qmail@brouhaha.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P24F50.CNM On 19 Feb 2000, Eric Smith wrote: > Um, AppleVision by Bob Bishop? It was distributed with DOS 3.2. I definitely remember loading it from cassette, before disks were available from Apple. Did Hertzfeld get some credit on the demo? Now I'll have to find a copy. -- Doug From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:18:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03147 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:16:27 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 21319 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 05:16:26 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21317 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 05:16:26 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 05:16:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 15892 invoked by uid 342); 20 Feb 2000 04:32:04 -0000 Date: 20 Feb 2000 04:32:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000220043204.15891.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: (message from Doug Salot on Sat, 19 Feb 2000 14:43:42 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: Andy Hertzfield saves the world again References: Status: X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P341F0.CNM >> Um, AppleVision by Bob Bishop? It was distributed with DOS 3.2. > > I definitely remember loading it from cassette, before disks were > available from Apple. Did Hertzfeld get some credit on the demo? Now > I'll have to find a copy. Sure, it was available on cassette earlier. I just mentioned DOS 3.2 because that's where most people saw it. I don't recall seeing Hertzfeld's name in connection with it, but it *was* over 20 years ago. From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:18:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03169 for ; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:10:35 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 21442 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 06:10:38 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21440 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 06:10:37 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 06:10:37 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05848 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:10:32 -0800 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200002200610.WAA05848@opus.allegro.com> Subject: IBM tube computer trainer on eBay To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 22:10:32 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P65240.CNM http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262417907 -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:18:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03673 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:02:22 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 23087 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 19:02:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23085 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 19:02:26 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 19:02:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03669 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:02:16 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Anyone know any Germans? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0F930.CNM I'm trying to learn German in preparation for VCF 1.0e and was wondering if anyone knew any Germans who would be interested in tutoring me for cash (or I might consider sexual favors if it's a good looking frau). Plesae pass the word along if you know of anyone. THANKS! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:19:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03849 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:31:23 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 23300 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 20:31:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23298 invoked by alias); 20 Feb 2000 20:31:27 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2000 20:31:27 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000220203126.RCIE13956.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:31:26 -0800 Message-ID: <38B04EB8.E195D27F@home.com> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:29:44 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: IBM tube computer trainer on eBay References: <200002200610.WAA05848@opus.allegro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P06870.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262417907 That's one of the most beautiful set of tinker-toys I've seen lately. And it probably is one of a-few-of-a-kind. Too bad he knows what it's worth. :( I just won the bid on a lot of 3, and a lot of 4 - "Tube adaptors. Octal to two 9 pin." http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=263102435 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=263102949 for $5.00 each. Even though two people emailed him and told him what they were, no one else bid on them. Obviously he found them and maybe there are more where they came from. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:20:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03944 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:33:25 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 23817 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 00:33:29 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23815 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 00:33:28 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02098 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:35:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:35:35 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: IBM tube computer trainer on eBay In-Reply-To: <38B04EB8.E195D27F@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P553D0.CNM On Sun, 20 Feb 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > That's one of the most beautiful set of tinker-toys I've seen lately. > And it probably is one of a-few-of-a-kind. Too bad he knows what it's > worth. :( Is Mark Metzler (sp?) still on this list? He's got one. -- Doug From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:30:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04552 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:29:33 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 25944 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 17:29:37 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 25942 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 17:29:35 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 17:29:35 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000221172935.HTML13956.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:29:35 -0800 Message-ID: <38B17599.4DADA0C3@home.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:27:53 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: Canadian Post Was: IBM tube computer trainer on eBay References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6C8C0.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > Is Mark Metzler (sp?) still on this list? He's got one. Speaking of vacuum digitals reminds that I was going to pass some information along. I'm currently waiting on THREE manuals from Canada. Two are a couple of months overdue. One manual is from John B. (from the list) and is a manual of schematics for a vacuum tube mini. Anyway, he says there is a problem sending computer related materials from Canada. A part of his email follows - FYI: "No you paid for it! I sent it quite some time ago. I have found out what the problem is though. US customs has decided that US people/companies are purchasing computer related material from Canada to "avoid" paying US taxes. I have had two things return over this last month because US customs rejected the parcel/letter because they felt the individual was trying to avaid US tarrifs. I am going to send you a new copy on Monday (I have not received the old one back yet). I will ship it airmail and describe the contents as a "letter". and will not include any reference to computers what so ever. I just got an email from "dimethyl" yesterday that after 5 weeks they managed to convince US customs to release their package from me because the boards I sent were over 30 years old! What a pain. Anyway, I will send you a tracking number on Monday. US customs did not start this til about December (no idea why???) but it is not your fault you did not receive it. I will eat the costs and ship things in the future as "radio parts". john" --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:30:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04563 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:51:40 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 26008 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 17:51:45 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26006 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 17:51:45 -0000 Received: from m206-17.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO terminus.example.com) (198.144.206.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 17:51:45 -0000 Received: from tsoft.com (IDENT:wrking@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by terminus.example.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00810 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:51:39 -0800 Sender: wrking@terminus.example.com Message-ID: <38B17B2B.BBFE97D6@tsoft.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 09:51:39 -0800 From: William King X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: BA123 available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P62DF0.CNM Chuck aquired a DEC BA123 chassis a while back. He stripped some parts and gave it to me. I stripped some more parts and now need to get it out of my garage. About the only thing left is a power supply and backplane. Any takers? Bill From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04574 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:03:26 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 26061 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 18:03:34 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26059 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 18:03:33 -0000 Received: from m206-17.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO terminus.example.com) (198.144.206.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 18:03:33 -0000 Received: from tsoft.com (IDENT:wrking@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by terminus.example.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00867 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:03:33 -0800 Sender: wrking@terminus.example.com Message-ID: <38B17DF5.AF4DBB0F@tsoft.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:03:33 -0800 From: William King X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: RK611 controller Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P27200.CNM Sometime around December, somebody on this list said that they wanted a DEC RK611 controller that I had. Due to a recent mail loss (switching from WinDoze to Linux), I lost the old mail message. If your still interested, please let me know. Bill From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:30:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04580 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 26103 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 18:12:46 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26101 invoked by alias); 21 Feb 2000 18:12:45 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2000 18:12:45 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24397 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14344 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25853 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200002211812.KAA25853@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:12:40 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: IBM tube computer trainer on eBay In-Reply-To: <200002200610.WAA05848@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5CA90.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262417907 > > -- > Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com > www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler Hi Stan Yes, I saw it. A bit out of my budget, though. Dwight From ???@??? Wed Feb 23 23:47:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06254 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:42:05 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 347 invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2000 03:42:09 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 345 invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2000 03:42:08 -0000 Received: from smtp6.jps.net (209.63.224.103) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2000 03:42:08 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-149-120.stk.jps.net [216.224.149.120]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA19132 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:42:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B35627.E477B3E3@jps.net> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:38:30 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Cool early PET Stuff.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P195F0.CNM Just got in the mail today some really cool older PET stuff. First off this was a contribution from Jay Kinnard (who is partly responsible for devising how to generate sound on the PET!) He liked my ever-growing PET pages, mentioned he left his PET behind when he moved years back but had some manuals and tapes to send to me in return for postage... Of course I accepted. What I got: Two more issues of the PET GAZZETTE by Len Lindsay 6/78 & 7/78 (now I have 5 of I think 8) and the first two issues of COMPUTE. Fall 79 & Jan/Feb 80 (no exclamation mark, only a period on the early titles) So now I have the transitional issues (issue #2 having an overview of the earlier issues as well as the history(!) of the Commodore PET). Two early Kilobaud Issues (7/78 & 3/79) Preliminary Data Sheet (more like book) for the MOS Tech 6522 VIA (dated 11/77) Folder #1 - Early Memory Maps and Character Charts Large Envelope - Really Cool stuff: * Envelope/Letter from Commodore Palo Alto - "Acknowledgement of Order" recipt dated 7/22/77 for 4k PET ($595.00) with xeroxed letter (9/16/77) informing Mr Kinnard of a delay in production of 4k units (pushed back to November 77), 8k now has priority production (at $200 extra cost) and the case will now be metal instead of plastic. * Envelope from Commodore Canada (1977) - probaby contained: * One of the earliest glossy PET brochures, has a profile view of the original (wood/plastic) casing PET with american contact, prices and phone number written in... * January 13, 1977 'PET Press release' (back has an artists drawing of the front and side view of the original PET (wood) case design * July 12 Letter from Commodore Canada stating his requested litrature for the PET is enclosed and where to order it in the U.S. (FWIW: 901 California Ave, Palo Alto) * All but the form of the "PET 90 day limited warranty." * Two sheets of info on the MOS 6550 1kx4 Static RAM memory chip. * Newer 90 day Warranty info (Santa Clara address, could be for a VIC one for how it looks). Folder #2: Program Listings, hand sketeched diagrams, some photocopied data, notes on programs (on accompnaying tapes) One of notw was a hand printed listing in BASIC he wrote to dissassemble some Intel 4004 code from an EROM. Diagrams/notes on connecting a TI silent 700 to the IEEE-488... Life game (in hand-assembled code!) Some photocopies from the original PET manual (RAM/ROM debugging) Folder #3 Diagram & notes on adding a TI keyboard to the PET Article "Add floppies to your uC to form a real uC system" for 6502/6800 processors Various IEEE-488 articles & notes. 1979 AB computers catalog Assembly source listing of PET monitor 13.1 (original ROM TIM?) 17 tapes w/PET software (some type-ins, a couple Commodore, some look like possibly Cursor stuff) The guy organized this stuff and labeled the documents for what he thought they were, very well done! Wow! It may be time to work up a 'digital archology' like someone was with the VIC-20, I certainly have enough for it now.... -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Thu Feb 24 20:53:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA07851 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 16:45:31 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 5973 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2000 00:45:47 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5971 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2000 00:45:46 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 00:45:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08318 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:47:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 19:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl Subject: REX In-Reply-To: <38B35627.E477B3E3@jps.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P109E0.CNM Hey, does anybody use their REX gadgets that I handed out at VCF? I didn't use mine much because it couldn't sync with Outlook unless I spent more money on software from Starfish. I just found out that you can get that same software for free through Yahoo (and it also sync's up with Yahoo calendar). Sign up with a MyYahoo account, go to the calendar, and click on the TrueSync link near the bottom to get the free TrueSync Plus software. Much cooler. -- Doug From ???@??? Fri Feb 25 09:39:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07892 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:29:44 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 6212 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2000 02:30:00 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6201 invoked by alias); 25 Feb 2000 02:29:59 -0000 Received: from smtp6.jps.net (209.63.224.103) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2000 02:29:59 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-150-229.stk.jps.net [216.224.150.229]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA28116 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:29:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B5E836.1523C6FF@jps.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 18:26:01 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: March 2000 Wired Article Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P54880.CNM Just picked up the March 2000 wired, and skimmed through the article: 'For countless TRS-80 faithful and Commodore 64 loyalists, the trailing edge is the high ground of technology. - Never Say Die' Alot better article than the Shift one (certainly alot more words) about the semi-neo luddites still paving the way with their trailing edge technologies. And overviews that 8 and 16 bit techologies are still coveted by some and developed by others, who still keep a moderately high profile in this day and age. Near the end there is some anout the Vintage computer festival, which portrayed it as a resource for us vintage vanguards... People buying 8" floppies and then looking for others to help them interface it to their system, etc. Unfortunately it does not have a web address for VCF it does have enough details "Vintage Computer Festival", Santa Clara, October 1999, etc, that should be readily findable with a Yahoo search. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Fri Feb 25 19:39:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09281 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:43:44 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 9231 invoked by alias); 26 Feb 2000 02:44:03 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9229 invoked by alias); 26 Feb 2000 02:44:03 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2000 02:44:03 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31489 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:43:57 -0800 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200002260243.SAA31489@opus.allegro.com> Subject: 8" IBM floppy drive, SCSI F/W interface To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 18:43:57 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2C070.CNM Hi, Last weekend (?), I spotted an IBM 8" floppy disk drive with a SCSI (F/W differential?) interface at Excess Solutions on Brokaw Road, in San Jose. -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun Feb 27 01:05:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10806 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:30:01 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 12683 invoked by alias); 27 Feb 2000 06:30:23 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12681 invoked by alias); 27 Feb 2000 06:30:22 -0000 Received: from mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.142) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2000 06:30:22 -0000 Received: from [63.200.49.95] by mta4.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FQK007GNSOBHN@mta4.snfc21.pbi.net> for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:29:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:30:00 -0800 From: Robert Arnold Subject: Windows NT vs. CP/M X-Sender: punxy@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5A690.CNM http://www.oualline.com/col/cpm.html Neener, neener. R. -- Robert Arnold CEO and Creative Director DarkHorse2000 http://www.darkhorse2000.com robert@darkhorse2000.com "Information is the currency of democracy" - Thomas Jefferson "Politics is applesauce" -Will Rogers From ???@??? Mon Feb 28 20:28:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16984 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:58:13 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 18022 invoked by alias); 29 Feb 2000 01:58:40 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18020 invoked by alias); 29 Feb 2000 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 29 Feb 2000 01:58:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14021 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:01:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:01:00 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Booting Linux on the IBM S/390 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P38C90.CNM http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/1532/1/ From ???@??? Fri Mar 03 01:36:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23953 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:28:05 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 27629 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 2000 07:28:37 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 27627 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 2000 07:28:36 -0000 Received: from adsl-216-103-73-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO bender.ndx.net) (216.103.73.138) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 07:28:36 -0000 Received: from akebono ([10.168.1.10]) by bender.ndx.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA20680 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:21:52 -0800 From: "Kirk Davis" To: Subject: RSTS Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:26:50 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P23850.CNM Does anyone happen to have a RSTS Distribution available for trade? I've got some free cycles and would like to get my '73 running. Kirk From ???@??? Sat Mar 04 16:24:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25139 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:40:29 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 28958 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 2000 17:41:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28956 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 2000 17:41:05 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 3 Mar 2000 17:41:05 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000303174100.KXJF21637.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:41:00 -0800 Message-ID: <38BFF8B3.789407B9@home.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 09:38:59 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: 2000, the year of the wearable computer? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1EB40.CNM Xybernaut Corporation * March 2 - Xybernaut Corporation (Nasdaq: XYBR), said it has been issued a U.S. patent (#6,029,183) for a ``transferable core,'' which the company believes will radically change mobile computing. The ``transferable core'' which will be smaller than a PDA, contains the ``brains'' of a PC -- processor, memory and storage and I/O circuitry -- everything but the power supply and display. When plugged into what the company calls an enclosure, which can be anything from a desktop, laptop, to a cell phone, to the dashboard of a car, the core unit becomes a true personal computer. This will allow users to easily insert and remove the ``brains'' of their computing or communications device from one device to another -- including memory, processor, operating system and applications. Other Xybernaut patents: D411,179 Mobile body-worn computer 5,305,244 Hands Free, User Supported Portable Computer D385,855 Body Worn Portable Computer D387,898 Body Worn Portable Battery Container D390,552 Adjustable Head Set Containing a Display 5,719,743 Torso Worn Computer Which Can Stand Alone 5,719,744 Torso Worn Computer 5,757,339 Novel Head Mounted Display 5,844,656 Head Mounted Display with Adjustment 5,844,824 Hands Free, Portable Computer and System 5,948,047 Detachable Computer Structure 5,999,952 Core Computer Unit Xybernaut has 240 other patents pending * Feb 24 - Xybernaut Corporation announced today that FOX network's hit sci-fi television show, The X-Files, will be running an episode this coming Sunday that features its product, the Mobile Assistant® IV (MA IV). In the episode titled ``First Person Shooter,'' characters will be wearing the head-mount display configuration in a virtual reality game where ``Mulder and Scully must battle with a deadly digital character to save their lives.'' The episode will air February 27th at 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. * Feb 17 - CoPower.com (http://www.copower.com/Wearable/wear.htm) has an agreement with Xybernaut Corporation to market wearable computers fitted with PEM fuel cells from DCH Technology, Inc. (OTC BB: DCHT) on the CoPower.com website. ``Fuel cells can potentially provide an unlimited supply of portable power and may be the perfect solution to the currently limited life for batteries used for portable electronics,...'' "..., we believe we will be able to increase the current mobile operating time to 12-24 hours or more" stated Edward G. Newman, President and CEO of Xybernaut. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 08:17:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27159 for ; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:52:56 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 3675 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 06:53:37 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3673 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 06:53:36 -0000 Received: from mate.kjsl.com (204.87.183.252) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2000 06:53:36 -0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mate.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id WAA22870 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:53:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA87926; Sat, 4 Mar 2000 22:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <200003050631.WAA87926@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Sender: fmc@reanimators.org To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: New excuse for classic computing From: Frank McConnell Date: 04 Mar 2000 22:31:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P26150.CNM "Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil spirit." --the "Reverend Jim Peasboro" http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1745.html -Frank McConnell From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 08:22:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27764 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:21:32 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 5524 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 21:22:15 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5522 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 21:22:13 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2000 21:22:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27692 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:24:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:24:54 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: New excuse for classic computing In-Reply-To: <200003050631.WAA87926@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4C7E0.CNM On 4 Mar 2000, Frank McConnell wrote: > "Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil > spirit." --the "Reverend Jim Peasboro" Is that guy nuts? Unix systems have had daemons since the 70's. -- Doug From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 08:23:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27774 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:53:19 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 5599 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 21:54:01 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5597 invoked by alias); 5 Mar 2000 21:54:01 -0000 Received: from mate.kjsl.com (204.87.183.252) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2000 21:54:01 -0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mate.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id NAA24074 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12822; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:35:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <200003052135.NAA12822@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Sender: fmc@reanimators.org To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: New excuse for classic computing References: From: Frank McConnell Date: 05 Mar 2000 13:35:59 -0800 In-Reply-To: Doug Salot's message of "Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:24:54 -0500 (EST)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4B060.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > > "Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil > > spirit." --the "Reverend Jim Peasboro" > > Is that guy nuts? Unix systems have had daemons since the 70's. Hey, it's the Weekly World News, accuracy in reporting is secondary to amusement value. But Rax needs to find some gullible WWN readers, he now has a market for all those C-64s. (Or are they the ones that KCNL "Channel 104.9" was giving away on the morning show?) I remember thinking in 1981 or so that an HP3000 Series III made a fine personal computer (once I kicked the other users off and got the backups out of the way). I'm sure that other folks in other computer rooms had similarly impure thoughts about the VAX-11/780. -Frank McConnell From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 08:23:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27828 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:11:27 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 5901 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2000 00:12:12 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5899 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2000 00:12:11 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 00:12:11 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28060 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:12:06 -0800 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200003060012.QAA28060@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Computers and how they work To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 16:12:06 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1FFD0.CNM Hi, If anyone doesn't have a copy of James D. Fahnestock's "Computers and how they work" (Ziff-Davis, 1959), you might do a quick search on www.abebooks.com. There are about 5 listed there ($10 to $25). (Doug...it has about 18 pages on analog computers, too :) -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 08:24:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27892 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:42:40 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 6333 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2000 03:43:22 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6331 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2000 03:43:18 -0000 Received: from smtp5.jps.net (209.63.224.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 03:43:18 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-154-12.stk.jps.net [216.224.154.12]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA06989 for ; Sun, 5 Mar 2000 19:43:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38C32840.E22B2347@jps.net> Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 19:38:52 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: New excuse for classic computing References: <200003050631.WAA87926@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P23A50.CNM RE: http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/1745.html > Is Your Computer Possesed by a Demon? > > SAVANNAH, Ga. -- Your computer may be possessed by a demon, a > leading minister warns. > [snip] > "Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil > spirit," the minister confirmed. > I guess most of my collection is safe except for those heathen Macs I use... Even my BBS, safe demon-free computing is on-line and a phone call away! >[snip] > Since, then, Rev. Peasboro has researched the problem further and > uncovered alarming facts. > > "I learned most of the youths involved in school shootings like the > tragedy at Columbine were computer buffs," he said. "I have no doubt > that computer demons exerted an influence on them." > I don;t think a true young "computer buff" would even know how to get a gun much less know how to shoot one. :/ > The minister estimates that one in 10 computers in America now > houses some type of evil spirit. > Yeah, the ones at work house a mess of em calling themselves Windows & Office! > Rev. Peasboro advises that if you suspect your computer is > possessed, you consult a clergyman or, if the computer is still under > warranty, take it in for servicing. He says, "Technicians can replace the > hard drive and reinstall the software, getting rid of the wicked spirit > permanently." My warranty does not cover "demonic posession of hard drive"... This may be a good night job for some of us looking for extra cash those. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 08:26:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA28005 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:36:48 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 7092 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2000 09:37:34 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 7090 invoked by alias); 6 Mar 2000 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.122) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2000 09:37:33 -0000 Received: from [63.200.50.227] by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FQZ0055MUQ8Y2@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 01:37:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 01:37:21 -0800 From: Robert Arnold Subject: Re: New excuse for classic computing X-Sender: punxy@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P524F0.CNM >Doug Salot wrote: >> > "Any PC built after 1985 has the storage capacity to house an evil >> > spirit." --the "Reverend Jim Peasboro" >> Frank commented: > >Hey, it's the Weekly World News, accuracy in reporting is secondary to >amusement value. But Rax needs to find some gullible WWN readers, he >now has a market for all those C-64s. (Or are they the ones that KCNL >"Channel 104.9" was giving away on the morning show?) As a bona fide ordained minister (see http://www.warbaby.com/church.html), I can exorcise the lot of them just in case, and offer them as certified demon-free. And speaking of the WWN, did you know that WWN offers free email accounts? I was one of the first to sign up and nailed the enviable address, LadyDi@weeklyworldnews.net. And speaking of free email addresses, I can't resist signing up at various sites that offer free email, just to get goofy addresses to give out when I don't want to use my real one. Among my favorites are: judas@ILoveJesus.com simpleton@simple.com whoa@whatthefuck.com beaner@barriolatino.com and, last but not least, BigWong@chineseinvestors.com I guess I'm just easily amused. R. -- Robert Arnold CEO and Editor-in-Chief DarkHorse2000 http://www.darkhorse2000.com robert@darkhorse2000.com "Information is the currency of democracy" - Thomas Jefferson "Politics is applesauce" -Will Rogers From ???@??? Mon Mar 06 20:17:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28982 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:12:11 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 9272 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2000 03:12:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9270 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2000 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 03:12:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29505 for ; Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:15:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 22:15:37 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Digiac 3010 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P74B90.CNM Here's one of those pretty cool logic trainers that David Hale is such a magnet for: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=274236295 -- Doug From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 20:17:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA29833 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:27:46 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 11392 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2000 19:28:36 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11390 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2000 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 19:28:35 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29829 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:27:36 -0800 Message-Id: <200003071927.LAA29829@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 11:19:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: DEC VT05B? Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P11810.CNM What's a DEC VT05B? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 20:24:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29975 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2000 14:33:16 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 11821 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2000 22:34:02 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11819 invoked by alias); 7 Mar 2000 22:34:01 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2000 22:34:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 30443 invoked by uid 342); 7 Mar 2000 21:46:03 -0000 Date: 7 Mar 2000 21:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000307214603.30442.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: <200003071927.LAA29829@siconic.com> (dastar@siconic.com) Subject: Re: DEC VT05B? References: <200003071927.LAA29829@siconic.com> Status: X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P488F0.CNM Dunno what the "B" suffix indicates (maybe 240V power?), but the VT05 was the first video terminal DEC designed. IIRC it had a 12 line display. There's a nice photo at http://www.dec.com/timeline/1970.htm But I like the PDP-8/E photo more. :-) The VT05 is mentioned in the Assigned Numbers RFCs, since it was designated one of the Official Terminal Type Names ("DEC-VT05"). The logic in a VT05 is on four boards plugged into a cust wire-wrapped backplane. From ???@??? Sat Mar 11 20:38:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31756 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:39:59 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 17289 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2000 18:40:49 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17287 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2000 18:40:48 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 18:40:48 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000309184047.SZSR18806.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:40:47 -0800 Message-ID: <38C7EFAF.1ED6D51E@home.com> Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 10:38:39 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Unknown component References: <200003071927.LAA29829@siconic.com> <20000307214603.30442.qmail@brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P02380.CNM Hi guys, I'm trying to interface to a tape punch that supplies 6VDC to the interface. The "LS" chips on the old interface are powered from this 6 volts through a component that looks like a black axial lead resistor with no markings at all. The component appears to have gold plated leads. Resistance measurments on the 20 Mohm range across the component are: With the black lead on the 6 volt side - overrange With the red lead on the 6 volt side - about 19.30 Mohms which starts decreasing about 10Kohms every couple of seconds. Is this a 5 volt zener? Or a capacitor? Can 4 chips be powered directly from 6 volts? Zeners are tapered on one end, right? This component is not tapered at one end. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sat Mar 11 20:39:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA31874 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:43:54 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 17897 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2000 23:44:47 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17895 invoked by alias); 9 Mar 2000 23:44:46 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 9 Mar 2000 23:44:46 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28447 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05026 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:44:41 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12242 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:44:41 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003092344.PAA12242@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 15:44:40 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Unknown component In-Reply-To: <38C7EFAF.1ED6D51E@home.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P00F10.CNM Doug Coward wrote: > Hi guys, > I'm trying to interface to a tape punch that supplies > 6VDC to the interface. The "LS" chips on the old interface > are powered from this 6 volts through a component that > looks like a black axial lead resistor with no markings > at all. The component appears to have gold plated leads. > Resistance measurments on the 20 Mohm range across the > component are: > With the black lead on the 6 volt side - overrange > With the red lead on the 6 volt side - about 19.30 Mohms > which starts decreasing about 10Kohms every couple of > seconds. > > Is this a 5 volt zener? Or a capacitor? > Can 4 chips be powered directly from 6 volts? > Zeners are tapered on one end, right? This component > is not tapered at one end. > > --Doug > ==================================================== > Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) > Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) > Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com > Sunnyvale,CA Hi Doug A couple of things. Are you measuring with a digital meter or an analog VOM? I recommend going to a VOM for these kind of measurements. Also, are you measuring in circuit or with a lead pulled? I would think that it is a double stacked diode. I think it may have had lettering and a band at one time but lost it in soldering or cleaning. I have a diode like this on my SIM4-01 board to drop -10v to -9 for the 1702A's. Check it with a VOM that has enough voltage to turn it on. Dwight From ???@??? Sat Mar 11 20:41:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31918 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:41:12 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 18084 invoked by alias); 10 Mar 2000 00:42:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18082 invoked by alias); 10 Mar 2000 00:42:05 -0000 Received: from adsl-216-103-73-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO bender.ndx.net) (216.103.73.138) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 Mar 2000 00:42:05 -0000 Received: from akebono ([10.168.1.10]) by bender.ndx.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA14331 for ; Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:34:27 -0800 From: "Kirk Davis" To: Subject: Free stuff Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 16:40:18 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200003092344.PAA12242@civic.hal.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P575B0.CNM This guy has a large HP Plotter, a large QBus cabinet (Non-DEC) which is fairly cool. It has a key to power it up and interesting control panel (older condition but looks OK). Also they used to make QBus cards so they have about 20 boxes of containing about 10 QBus edge connectors each. All free if you pick it up in Oakland: Victor Gold (Peritek) 510-531-6500 Drop me a note if you pick up the stuff - I have a box containing some supplies for the HP plotter. Kirk From ???@??? Sat Mar 11 20:56:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from uxl.longs.com (uxl.longs.com [199.108.9.10]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02412 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 17:41:49 -0800 Received: from w999999.longs.com ([10.24.52.159]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA20D6; Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:41:02 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.16.20000310172553.54376a44@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) To: auntierae@california.com, cgrilley@slip.net, balcutha@yahoo.com, balcutha@california.com, vprugh@sric.sri.com, dmsevery@concentric.net, dastar@siconic.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: For the collector who thinks she has everything (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:41:02 -0500 Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P2D5B0.CNM Ummm.... Hmmm. >From: Jesse Mundis > >Thanks to Kathleen for passing along this ummmm.... interesting yahoo >auction item. >-------- >http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/19733183 > >Kathleen >-------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Sat Mar 11 21:03:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03419 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:08:10 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 24598 invoked by alias); 12 Mar 2000 05:09:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24596 invoked by alias); 12 Mar 2000 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 12 Mar 2000 05:09:10 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03415 for ; Sat, 11 Mar 2000 21:08:02 -0800 Message-Id: <200003120508.VAA03415@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 20:41:10 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Free stuff Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <200003092344.PAA12242@civic.hal.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0BC90.CNM On 9 Mar 00, at 16:40, Kirk Davis wrote: > This guy has a large HP Plotter, a large QBus > cabinet (Non-DEC) which is fairly cool. It > has a key to power it up and interesting > control panel (older condition but looks > OK). Also they used to make QBus cards > so they have about 20 boxes of containing > about 10 QBus edge connectors each. If anyone wants this stuff but doesn't have time to get it right away I can pick it up and hold it for you. I'd be willing to store it for a week, maybe two weeks max but it would have to go soon. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Mon Mar 13 17:13:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01557 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:22:43 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 791 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 01:22:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 789 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 01:22:29 -0000 Received: from smtp5.jps.net (216.119.0.85) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 01:22:29 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-141-50.stk.jps.net [216.224.141.50]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA01754 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:22:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38CD937D.EC6F537E@jps.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:18:55 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Off Topic: eBay bid wars... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P21050.CNM I have been trying to snag a copy of Visual FoxPro 3 for the Mac via eBay for months, when I just came across this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=275429137 A FoxPro 2.6 developers edition bid up to $710! (as of this writing) If you havew a spare copy lying around you may make at least $500 or so on a sloppy seconds auction. FPW 2.6 is some hot item, they rarely go for less than $200 (even used) Anyone else see something such as that? -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Mon Mar 13 19:59:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01709 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:56:06 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 1105 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 03:55:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1103 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 03:55:53 -0000 Received: from mate.kjsl.com (204.87.183.252) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 03:55:53 -0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mate.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id TAA05943 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:55:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA41032; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:36:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <200003140336.TAA41032@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Sender: fmc@reanimators.org To: baccl Subject: Re: Off Topic: eBay bid wars... References: <38CD937D.EC6F537E@jps.net> From: Frank McConnell Date: 13 Mar 2000 19:36:00 -0800 In-Reply-To: Larry Anderson's message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:18:55 -0800" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P16960.CNM Larry Anderson wrote: > FPW 2.6 is some hot item, they rarely go for less than $200 (even used) Last version for 16-bit Windows, not that I'm sure this explains it. -Frank McConnell From ???@??? Mon Mar 13 21:36:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA01741 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:36:15 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 1225 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 04:36:05 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1223 invoked by alias); 14 Mar 2000 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from smtp5.jps.net (216.119.0.85) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2000 04:36:04 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-150-194.stk.jps.net [216.224.150.194]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA27458 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:36:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38CDC0D9.5C37E3F5@jps.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:32:31 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: Off Topic: eBay bid wars... References: <38CD937D.EC6F537E@jps.net> <200003140336.TAA41032@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P19CC0.CNM Looking at it again, I noticed the seller's feedback rating was -1 (one response, which was unfavorable), so possibly at least one shill, but I do believe there are some honest bids up near the now $770 amount. Frank McConnell wrote: > > Larry Anderson wrote: > > FPW 2.6 is some hot item, they rarely go for less than $200 (even used) > > Last version for 16-bit Windows, not that I'm sure this explains it. > > -Frank McConnell That might be it, it is also one of the widest ranging and closest matching cross-platform versions made (though Mac users got the short end of the stick for 'windows compliancy'. ) with Unix also on the list... :/ -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Tue Mar 14 19:10:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mate.kjsl.com (Mate.KJSL.COM [204.87.183.252]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02369 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:54:52 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mate.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id LAA04406 for dastar@siconic.com; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA66813; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 11:31:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <200003141931.LAA66813@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Sender: fmc@reanimators.org To: dastar@siconic.com Subject: Re: Off Topic: eBay bid wars... References: <200003140411.UAA01727@siconic.com> From: Frank McConnell Date: 14 Mar 2000 11:31:34 -0800 In-Reply-To: "Sellam Ismail"'s message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:58:39 -0800" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P37AA0.CNM > You'd be surprised how many businesses actually based their entire > operations on FoxPro. No I wouldn't. It's nice. I keep trying to find time and brain-space to make it do what I want with my inventory database (currently in Alpha Four, which is also a dBase-file-format thingy, less powerful but easier to set up data-entry screens). Yes, I have v2.0 for MS-DOS on the palmtop. -Frank McConnell From ???@??? Thu Mar 16 20:42:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03513 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:31:34 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 6334 invoked by alias); 15 Mar 2000 21:31:17 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6332 invoked by alias); 15 Mar 2000 21:31:16 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 21:31:16 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04374 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02173 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23038 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003152131.NAA23038@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:31:06 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: eBay stuff In-Reply-To: <20000210021800.28066.qmail@brouhaha.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5B7F0.CNM For those that want to build their IMSAI collection all at once: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=284455144 From ???@??? Thu Mar 16 20:43:04 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03550 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:37:56 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 6508 invoked by alias); 15 Mar 2000 22:37:41 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6506 invoked by alias); 15 Mar 2000 22:37:40 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2000 22:37:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13850 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:40:47 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:40:47 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: eBay stuff In-Reply-To: <200003152131.NAA23038@civic.hal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P05290.CNM Cool! End tables and an ottoman! -- Doug On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote: > For those that want to build their IMSAI collection > all at once: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=284455144 > From ???@??? Thu Mar 16 21:51:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04830 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:45:12 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 10398 invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2000 05:45:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10396 invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2000 05:45:05 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 05:45:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17423 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:48:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:48:12 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: DEC stuff on ebay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P47630.CNM Knock yourselves out: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=danielbradatanu -- Doug From ???@??? Thu Mar 16 21:51:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04837 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:54:06 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 10436 invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2000 05:54:03 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10433 invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2000 05:54:02 -0000 Received: from ws37-n0.hq.home.mcmanis.com (HELO yikes) (192.168.110.37) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 05:54:02 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000316215315.02732300@mcmanis.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@mcmanis.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 21:55:29 -0800 To: Doug Salot , baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: DEC stuff on ebay In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P67350.CNM Doug hasn't been hanging out on classiccmp. This guy, goes by the handle "John B" on ClassicCmp apparently found some friggin motherlode of DEC gear that he hauled back across the border to Canada. He has an email personality that makes David Hale seem cordial. I know people who have gotten things from him, but he's basically funding his retirement on this haul I believe. --Chuck At 12:48 AM 3/17/00 -0500, Doug Salot wrote: >Knock yourselves out: > >http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=danielbrad >atanu > >-- Doug > From ???@??? Fri Mar 17 08:22:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA04969 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:20:37 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 10922 invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2000 09:20:35 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10920 invoked by alias); 17 Mar 2000 09:20:34 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Mar 2000 09:20:34 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000317092033.JKWP21475.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:20:33 -0800 Message-ID: <38D1F851.DAE9DA33@home.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:18:09 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: DEC stuff on ebay References: <4.2.0.58.20000316215315.02732300@mcmanis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P48C50.CNM Chuck McManis wrote: > This guy, goes by the handle "John B" on ClassicCmp apparently found some > friggin motherlode of DEC gear that he hauled back across the border to > Canada. He has an email personality that makes David Hale seem cordial. I > know people who have gotten things from him, but he's basically funding his > retirement on this haul I believe. "He" had me make out the money order to "Heather Bradatanu". I've alway found "him" friendly and helpful, but then I hang out with you guys too. :) --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sat Mar 18 14:14:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA05563 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:00:42 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 12893 invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2000 01:00:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12891 invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2000 01:00:30 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 01:00:30 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19006 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:05:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26856 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18418 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003180100.RAA18418@civic.hal.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:00:25 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Keypro owner? In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P02800.CNM Hi Who was it that had the broken Kaypro at one of our meetings? The reason I ask is that I am now the proud owner of a Kaypro Technical Manual. It covers Kaypro 2 through 10. Sadly it doesn't cover Kaypro II but they are quite similar except the disk I/O. Dwight From ???@??? Sat Mar 18 14:29:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA06068 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:57:42 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 15343 invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2000 19:57:42 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 15341 invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2000 19:57:41 -0000 Received: from smtp5.jps.net (216.119.0.85) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 19:57:41 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-148-129.stk.jps.net [216.224.148.129]) by smtp5.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA05677 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:57:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38D3DED5.836DE811@jps.net> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:53:59 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: little green men References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P227E0.CNM I did a babelfish translation http://babelfish.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/translate? of the page and this is what I got: Target of the Vintage computer Festivals is it the receipt and the maintenance ' historical ' computer and other to promote (E)DV geraetschaften to arouse the interest to ' unnecessary ' Hard-und software and to realize above all the fun to it. The VCF is already in the California silicone Valley a regular event and is from now at also a fixer point in the European time schedules to become. Thus let us return to the good old persons days, as a hacker still no security advisors, bytes still no megabytes and small one green males still small one green males were! The French journey page (Directions) creates. FAQextends. My Translation of the third paragraph would be: Let us return to the good old days where hackers wern't security advisors, bytes were not megabytes and little green men were still little green men! (This is a play on a passage from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams) Doug Salot wrote: > > OK, I tried to read the VCF Europe page: > http://www.vintage.org/vcfe/ > > I don't understand much of it, but isn't there a reference in the third > paragraph to "little green men"? New theme for the festival? > > -- Doug -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sat Mar 18 14:36:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06164 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:36:39 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 15691 invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2000 22:36:41 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 15689 invoked by alias); 18 Mar 2000 22:36:40 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2000 22:36:40 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06160 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:36:32 -0800 Message-Id: <200003182236.OAA06160@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:29:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: little green men Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <38D3DED5.836DE811@jps.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P54240.CNM On 18 Mar 00, at 11:53, Larry Anderson wrote: > Thus let us return to the good old persons days, as a hacker > still no security > advisors, bytes still no megabytes and small one green males > still small one green > males were! Maybe "floppies" is a German idiom for "little green men" (the original quote ends "floppies were really floppy"...thanks again to Mr. Robert Arnold for coining a phrase that I didn't think would lead to such acclaim in the press ;) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Tue Mar 21 21:42:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01844 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:07:18 -0800 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000322050706.KTCS24066.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:07:06 -0800 Message-ID: <38D85469.B802DBB8@home.com> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 21:04:41 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Salot CC: Sellam Ismail , eric@brouhaha.com, sinasohn@ricochet.net Subject: Re: home References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P77EF0.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > I went for rustic charm. Check it out: > http://207.66.248.205/jut/std-win.cfm?ln=20027991&id=224 Looks VERY Norwegian. You need a name for it like Dougshaus. I can't repeat what Sheila said about the pictures. > Doug, you should have bought some land here! The guy who owns the 4 acres > to the south of me paid $3000 in 1974. The land is now worth about > $500,000. Of course, I always buy at the peak of the market, so I'm sure > it'll be worth $3000 again sometime soon :-) I did start paying on a half acre in a development out by Kingston in 1974. It was only $3000, by the $30 a month was a real drag at the time. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 00:38:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from planetdoug.com (ns1.haggle.com [216.149.156.162]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01896 for ; Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:13:12 -0800 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA23567; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:16:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Doug Coward cc: Sellam Ismail , eric@brouhaha.com, sinasohn@ricochet.net Subject: Re: home In-Reply-To: <38D85469.B802DBB8@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P26A70.CNM On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > Looks VERY Norwegian. You need a name for it like Dougshaus. I can't > repeat what Sheila said about the pictures. I was thinking Hagglehaus :-) I'm not sure what the Norwegian connection is, but the entire house is built like a nice piece of Scandanavian furniture. It's timber framed, using mortice and tenon joints. The wood came from Pier 90 -- 450 year old fir. I like it! (Can you tell?) I really can't wait to move in. There's a wood shop in the basement of the guest house, so I've already got a new hobby waiting for me. -- Doug From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 09:53:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02363 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:10:55 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 2516 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 17:10:41 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2514 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 17:10:41 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 17:10:41 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000322171040.ZDFD24066.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:10:40 -0800 Message-ID: <38D8FDFE.319450FC@home.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:08:14 -0800 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Variac question, an other opinion References: <200003182236.OAA06160@siconic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2C450.CNM Hi All, I was recently talking to Robert A. Pease (a analog guru at National Semiconductor, a Philbrick Researches employee from 1961 - 1975, and the author of more than a few articles on capacitors) and so I decided to ask the Variac question: >> Speaking of capacitors, .............. >> I was wondering what your opinion is about using a >> Variac to lessen the shock to capacitors when powering up equipment >> that may have be sitting around unused for 20 years? Some computer >> collectors say "start at 10 volts", > *** For old stuff like this, I agree with starting at 10%. > Maybe 1 or 2 minutes per step up to 50%, then SLOOW up > to 100%. You want to allow time for the dielectric to > FORM UP. You might pat to see if they were getting warm. > If they did, I'd go slower. I'd wait. >> others start at 80 volts, and >> increase the voltage 10 volts every half hour. > *** That might be OK on well-known stuff, or stuff that > has been out of service for a year, but that is not > cautious enough to suit me, on valuable and > hard-to-replace stuff. ./ rap I was talking to him because he's my best source of first hand knowledge of the Model K2, Philbrick Researches tube type analog computer amplifiers that I've been accumulating over the last year. I one thing I needed was a good +/- 300 volt power supply to power these amplifiers. Two week ago I found I found a Philbrick Model R-100B +/- 300 volt power supply. And it turns out that Bob Pease's first job at Philbrick in 1961 was writting the data sheets for this power supply! > The Schematic and data sheet for the R-100B is in > the mail. You will be impressed with the 5910 Regulator > - that is a really NICE regulating amplifier, and I am > going to feature it in a column, some day. > I had not appreciated what a great high-gain amplifier > it was, 20 or 30 or 40 years ago. When the ripple on > the raw rectified supply gets to 12 volts p-p, it is > not EASY to regulate that down to 50 uV. We shall see! > / rap Now I just need to build or find a Philbrick "manifold" with octal tube sockets to mount the amplifers and banana sockets to patch the amplifiers together. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Wed Mar 22 16:03:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02389 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:53:31 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 2702 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 17:53:19 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2700 invoked by alias); 22 Mar 2000 17:53:18 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2000 17:53:18 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26058 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29332 for ; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:53:13 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04264 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:53:13 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003221753.JAA04264@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:53:13 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Variac question, an other opinion In-Reply-To: <38D8FDFE.319450FC@home.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P11B90.CNM Doug Coward wrote: > > >> others start at 80 volts, and > >> increase the voltage 10 volts every half hour. Hi I think one has to look at what kind of circuit they are powering up. 1. Switcher Best to start at 80V may still loose a few Caps but that is better than wiping the switching transistors. 2. Linear solid state Start low and work your way up. 3. Tube rectifier You need to put a meter on the capacitor and bring the voltage up to the point that there is some voltage developing on the cap. Once you reach this point, you may find that you have to back off just a little and then sequence up slowly. It would be best if you could remove the capacitors from the circuit and connect them to a safer forming circuit. You'd need a variable supply and a large resistor as a current limit. Still, if the electrolytic is dry, this won't revive it. Dwight From ???@??? Sat Mar 25 18:11:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05398 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:04:20 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 14595 invoked by alias); 26 Mar 2000 02:04:18 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 14591 invoked by alias); 26 Mar 2000 02:04:17 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 26 Mar 2000 02:04:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28575 for ; Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:07:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 21:07:51 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: rockwell haul In-Reply-To: <200003221753.JAA04264@civic.hal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P37CB0.CNM I'm spending the weekend in orange county, home of rockwell semiconductor, so I had to test out my old computer hunting skills. Anybody ever hear of a rockwell "design center"? This was a $15K 6502 development system from the late 70's. Also got a couple of AIM65's, probably every ROM ever made for them, lots of docs, expansion stuff, etc. One of the AIM65's is in a nice metal and wooden case -- something like a Sol 20. Anybody want to trade for a Sol 20? Also a bunch of S-100 stuff, including a dual CPU, dual user config housed in a dynabyte chasis. I had to haul away a couple of Wyse terminals and 8" drives too. I hate to dumpster these -- any suggestions? I'd be happy to share this booty with anybody willing to come down to OC and haul some of it away. Otherwise, you might see some of the spares on ebay. -- Doug From ???@??? Mon Mar 27 01:22:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA06733 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 00:45:47 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 18986 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 08:45:49 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18984 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 08:45:49 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 08:45:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30089 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:49:27 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:49:27 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: rockwell haul In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P68CB0.CNM Just in case you've never seen one, here's a Rockwell Design Center just before I put it in storage this morning (keyboard not shown): http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/aim65/design3.jpg I didn't have a chance to go through all the docs from the haul, but just a quick glance indicated that everything you ever wanted to know about the AIM65 is there. I'll try to go through it next time I fly south. BTW, anybody ever hear of DOS65? It's apparently a CP/M-like OS written for the 6502. I also picked up an Epson Geneva, a TRS-80 Model 200, and a ThinkPad 730T (pen-based 486) this weekend. Some huge insurance company just dumped a bunch of the 730T's, so they're showing up everywhere. Combined with a wireless NIC, they make good remote art clients to hang on the wall. I now have 4 storage units in 3 cities stuffed full of old hardware, and I'm about to move again. At some point, I need to thin and consolidate the collection. Any plans for a Spring (Cleaning) VCF, Sellam? And whatever happened to Seth and the VMS-powered baccl? And how do I subscribe to the new classiccmp? -- Doug From ???@??? Mon Mar 27 01:26:47 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA06774 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:22:06 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 19105 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 09:22:09 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 19103 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 09:22:08 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 09:22:08 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06770 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:22:01 -0800 Message-Id: <200003270922.BAA06770@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 01:21:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: rockwell haul Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4D890.CNM On 27 Mar 00, at 3:49, Doug Salot wrote: > Just in case you've never seen one, here's a Rockwell Design Center just > before I put it in storage this morning (keyboard not shown): Hey, that's freakin' cool!! > I didn't have a chance to go through all the docs from the haul, but just > a quick glance indicated that everything you ever wanted to know about the > AIM65 is there. I'll try to go through it next time I fly south. BTW, > anybody ever hear of DOS65? It's apparently a CP/M-like OS written for > the 6502. Yes! I believe I have as a matter 'o fact. I remember seeing a posting on the usenet from the author of a 6502 CP/M-like OS. I wrote to him about it and he e-mailed me back. He apparently put the source up on the web for people to download or something like that? Do a search and see if you get lucky. If you really, really, really, really want to know more about it I can try to search thru my old e-mails for his message. > I now have 4 storage units in 3 cities stuffed full of old hardware, and > I'm about to move again. At some point, I need to thin and consolidate > the collection. Any plans for a Spring (Cleaning) VCF, Sellam? Well, you could haul it all to Munich. I think if you sold it all it would probably pay for the plane ticket, freight and your hotel room there. Hans would probably buy most of it :) Or you can wait for VCF Los Angeles. I don't know how hot John Lawson is to host that because there's a chance he may be leaving the country for a couple years (job offer) but if he does you can at least thin out your SoCal storage. Or just wait for VCF 4.0 and rent a booth :) > And whatever happened to Seth and the VMS-powered baccl? ??? > And how do I subscribe to the new classiccmp? majordomo@classiccmp.org Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Mon Mar 27 11:38:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07078 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:24:29 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 20453 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 18:24:33 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20451 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 18:24:32 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 18:24:32 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10369 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:29:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29430 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25455 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003271824.KAA25455@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:24:27 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: rockwell haul In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1E630.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > I didn't have a chance to go through all the docs from the haul, but just > a quick glance indicated that everything you ever wanted to know about the > AIM65 is there. I'll try to go through it next time I fly south. BTW, > anybody ever hear of DOS65? It's apparently a CP/M-like OS written for > the 6502. Hi Doug I'd be interested in looking at the docs you have. I have both Forth and PASCAL roms for the AIM but no Docs for these yet. I recently bought a INF65, not knowing what it was. It turned out the be a nice ICE for the 6502. I have no docs on it either but I hope to figure it out as soon as I have time. Dwight From ???@??? Mon Mar 27 11:58:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07350 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:51:36 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 20730 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 19:51:40 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20728 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 19:51:40 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 19:51:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 5534 invoked by uid 342); 27 Mar 2000 18:59:23 -0000 Date: 27 Mar 2000 18:59:23 -0000 Message-ID: <20000327185923.5533.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: (message from Doug Salot on Mon, 27 Mar 2000 03:49:27 -0500 (EST)) Subject: Re: rockwell haul References: Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P44A10.CNM wrote: > BTW, anybody ever hear of DOS65? It's apparently a CP/M-like OS written for > the 6502. No, but I've been looking for it, since I have the Rockwell disk controller. > And how do I subscribe to the new classiccmp? I thought you were boycotting classiccmp due to the ebay references? :-) From ???@??? Mon Mar 27 18:51:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07663 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:52:06 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 21653 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2000 01:52:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21651 invoked by alias); 28 Mar 2000 01:52:10 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2000 01:52:10 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19308; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22031; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:52:10 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02304; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:52:09 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003280152.RAA02304@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 17:52:09 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com, west@tseinc.com Subject: Re: NIC-80 progress In-Reply-To: <200003271911.LAA26133@civic.hal.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P56B70.CNM Dwight Elvey wrote: > While it was > working badly, I destroyed parts of the core memory. Hi I should note that I didn't physically damage the core, I just lost the data. The core memory is still fine. Dwight From ???@??? Tue Mar 28 23:18:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07117 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:11:57 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 20618 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 19:12:02 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20616 invoked by alias); 27 Mar 2000 19:12:01 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2000 19:12:01 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11562; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21518; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:11:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA26133; Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:11:58 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003271911.LAA26133@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:11:58 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com, west@tseinc.com Subject: NIC-80 progress In-Reply-To: <200003271824.KAA25455@civic.hal.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3D5D0.CNM Hi I thought I'd pass on the progress that I've made on the NIC-80 that I acquired ( mini made by Nicolet Instruments in the '70s for data acquisition ). I've gotten it to the point that it is running instructions correctly. I thought it was a bad IC because the signal that was failing came from just to that IC. It turned out that the IC was OK and it was just a contact problem in the edge connector ( a little of my magic grease fixed that ). While it was working badly, I destroyed parts of the core memory. I was hoping that a program called DEMON/F was still intact in the core. It may still be all right but I'm not sure yet until I dump what is still intact in the core. It is difficult to work on these machines without schematics and no extender boards. Still, Nicolet did put some signal names on the PC boards. Things like MB0 to MB19 and IR0 to IR19 were easily translated into memory bus and instruction register. I wrote an assembler Saturday to use on the PC for making code to run on the NIC-80, even though the paper tapes that Sam gave me had an assembler on it. I'm doing this so that I can write some simple code to upload the data that still remains in the core. I made a cable up to mix the wires to get the PC connected to a paper table reader that I've had in storage for several years ( Sam loaned me two other readers but I wanted to get my reader working if possible ). I've read the tapes in one of the bins of fan-fold paper tape that he gave me and verified the checksums on a number of these tapes. Since the NIC-80 talks to the outside world on a serial line and the reader I have is a parallel unit, I'll use the PC, not only for archiving but also, for transfer of the tapes to the NIC-80. My main problem is that the tapes that Sam gave me are for the Diablo removable hard drive and not the floppy. My machine has the floppy drive. According to the Docs I got, I need a program called DEMON/F. The tapes, I have, only have DEMON II that is for the Diablo. I hope to write a disassembler for it this next weekend and also write the code to upload data from the core. If most of the info is complete, I should be able to recreate parts that are missing. The DEMON/F should work about the same as the DEMON II because other programs such as the BASIC use this interface. This is really cutting edge restoration ( You should see my fingers. Installing boards with three 80 pin connectors is a real pain ). Dwight From ???@??? Wed Mar 29 21:17:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA09789 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:42:09 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 28800 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 03:42:16 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28798 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 03:42:15 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 03:42:15 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11081 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:42:10 -0800 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200003300342.TAA11081@opus.allegro.com> Subject: model of IBM 360 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:42:10 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P2A2A0.CNM Hi, check out: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=295831214 -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Wed Mar 29 21:23:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA09834 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:53:39 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 28999 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 04:53:49 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28997 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 04:53:48 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 04:53:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03934 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:57:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 In-Reply-To: <200003300342.TAA11081@opus.allegro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P7CD00.CNM Those sets were used by IBM salesmen. I've seen them before, but don't own one. -- Doug On Wed, 29 Mar 2000, Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > > check out: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=295831214 > > -- > Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com > www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler > From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 09:21:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09861 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:20:04 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 29082 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 05:20:15 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 29080 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 05:20:14 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 05:20:14 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09855 for ; Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:19:58 -0800 Message-Id: <200003300519.VAA09855@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200003300342.TAA11081@opus.allegro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1F360.CNM On 29 Mar 00, at 19:42, Stan Sieler wrote: > check out: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=295831214 Cute! I was just at TCMHC today and they have a set of these. They were used to plan out a computer room installation. Keen. The $500 minimum bid is awfully steep, but I wouldn't mind having a set. FYI: TCMHC has a new executive director, John Toole. Nice guy, smart, technically very competent, impressive credentials, etc. They also got a rather large cash infusion from a very generous person and things should start moving there. Expect them to start raising their profile, hiring more people, and finally moving forward with turning the place into a first class establishment. I think they have the right mix of people and money now to finally do it. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 10:44:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10368 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:09:10 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 941 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 17:09:22 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 939 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 17:09:22 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 17:09:22 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08550 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:14:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10345 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA03099 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:09:16 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003301709.JAA03099@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:09:16 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 In-Reply-To: <200003300342.TAA11081@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6D160.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > > check out: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=295831214 This is the early day concept of what a micro computer would look like. Dwight From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 10:51:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10420 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:56:59 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 1057 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 17:57:12 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1055 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 17:57:11 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 17:57:11 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 21095 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 17:57:06 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 17:57:06 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000330095759.0406a310@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:01:40 -0800 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 In-Reply-To: <200003301709.JAA03099@civic.hal.com> References: <200003300342.TAA11081@opus.allegro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P462F0.CNM At 09:09 AM 3/30/00 -0800, Dwight Elvey wrote: >This is the early day concept of what a micro >computer would look like. I thought this pretty funny, and then in a twisted way I thought, why not? How difficult would it be to build a "mini-mainframe" where the components were 1:12 scale. Your "CPU" cabinet would be 6" x 4" x 2" which is plenty for a Simm stick type PC card. A couple of 4 megaword memory cabinets, again not a problem. Disk drives that are simulated by SmartMedia flash? Maybe a Click! drive. All pretty doable. --Chuck From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 11:44:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10451 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:49:36 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 1215 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 18:49:46 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1213 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10961 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:54:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16502 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:49:45 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04322 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003301849.KAA04322@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:49:44 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: model of IBM 360 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000330095759.0406a310@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P74700.CNM Chuck McManis wrote: > At 09:09 AM 3/30/00 -0800, Dwight Elvey wrote: > >This is the early day concept of what a micro > >computer would look like. > > I thought this pretty funny, and then in a twisted way I thought, why not? > How difficult would it be to build a "mini-mainframe" where the components > were 1:12 scale. Your "CPU" cabinet would be 6" x 4" x 2" which is plenty > for a Simm stick type PC card. A couple of 4 megaword memory cabinets, > again not a problem. Disk drives that are simulated by SmartMedia flash? > Maybe a Click! drive. All pretty doable. > > --Chuck Chuck Are how are you going to build the teletype with paper tape punch/reader? It would be great to see though. We are always talking about the ratios of what todays micros are doing relative to yesterdays mainframes. You'd also have to have 10 tape drives like in the picture. I would think some of those small dictating tape machines could be reformed into some functional drives. Interesting project! Dwight From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 17:46:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10681 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:38:47 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 2151 invoked by alias); 31 Mar 2000 00:38:59 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2149 invoked by alias); 31 Mar 2000 00:38:58 -0000 Received: from uxl.longs.com (199.108.9.10) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2000 00:38:58 -0000 Received: from sinasohn ([10.24.180.117]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAAF54 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:37:57 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.20000330114040.60f79e02@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:45:25 -0800 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: OT: Ad Opportunity for you pre-IPO'ers (or post-...) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P61EB0.CNM It's coming up quick, so I'll be brief... Opening Day at PacBell Park -- see Special deal for you guys... --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 21:37:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10566 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:47:08 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 1666 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 21:47:20 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1664 invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2000 21:47:19 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Mar 2000 21:47:19 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15022 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:52:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02524 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06536 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:47:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003302147.NAA06536@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:47:18 -0800 (PST) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 (fwd) X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0BF90.CNM >>>>> Forwarded message from "Doug Coward" Dwight, Can you forward this email to baccl@home.mcmanis.com? I still can send mail to the list from work. Thanks. Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 The ebay picture reminded me of a picture that I had seen recently: http://www.luckbealady.com/eckertproject/selling1.htm "This is a photo of Pres Eckert with a model of a LARC System installation which was taken for an advertisement. Could be the first desktop" On a laptop note: > > Dear Doug, > I have a toshiba t-1000 in excellent condition with all of the manuals and > even the original carry case. It belongs to my brother in law and he wishes > to sell it. Do you have any advice or leads of who might want to purchase > this type of computer. Any help you could give us would be helpful. > Sincerely, > Scott Maccheyne > scott@scmrestys.com --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward Press Start Inc. Sunnyvale,CA ========================================= << End forwarded message From ???@??? Thu Mar 30 21:38:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10827 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:48:26 -0800 Received: (qmail+freegate 2745 invoked by alias); 31 Mar 2000 04:48:38 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2743 invoked by alias); 31 Mar 2000 04:48:37 -0000 Received: from smtp6.jps.net (216.119.0.86) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 31 Mar 2000 04:48:37 -0000 Received: from jps.net (216-224-155-209.stk.jps.net [216.224.155.209]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA06289 for ; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:48:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E42D3F.F3632D09@jps.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 20:44:49 -0800 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: model of IBM 360 References: <200003301849.KAA04322@civic.hal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P43FD0.CNM Dwight Elvey wrote: > > Chuck > Are how are you going to build the teletype with paper tape > punch/reader? It would be great to see though. We are always > talking about the ratios of what todays micros are doing > relative to yesterdays mainframes. You'd also have to have > 10 tape drives like in the picture. I would think some > of those small dictating tape machines could be reformed > into some functional drives. Interesting project! > Dwight Well at the very least he could use a thermal recipt printer (or a commercial one, I recall the Fairchaild one was about as tiny. -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Mon Apr 03 22:35:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14001 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:56:14 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 12784 invoked by alias); 3 Apr 2000 05:56:35 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12782 invoked by alias); 3 Apr 2000 05:56:34 -0000 Received: from smtp6.jps.net (216.119.0.86) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 3 Apr 2000 05:56:34 -0000 Received: from jps.net (209-162-57-37.stk.jps.net [209.162.57.37]) by smtp6.jps.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA01420 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38E831A1.78ADE65B@jps.net> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 22:52:58 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Play the Microsoft Game! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P36C60.CNM Came across this site while trying to relive a past memory of a board game... http://www.ms-monopoly.com/ Play monopoly the microsoft way! -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Fri Apr 07 17:11:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19002 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:38:13 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28883 invoked by alias); 7 Apr 2000 21:38:48 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28881 invoked by alias); 7 Apr 2000 21:38:47 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 21:38:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12226 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:31:21 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:31:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: A is for analog In-Reply-To: <38EE0847.A96E951@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by siconic.com id OAA19002 Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P55900.CNM What's there to think about? You *must* do this! I'll want an autographed copy. -- Doug On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > Guys, > This is an email I received yesterday. I'm thinking about it. They say > that Gordon Bell is also one of the authors: > > > Dear Mr Coward, > > > > The Moschovitis Group is coordinating the publishing of an Encyclopedia > > of Computers and Computer History. Editor of the book is Prof. Raul > > Rojas of the Freie Universität Berlin. The intended structure of the > > book is a straightforward A-Z encyclopedia, to be comprehensive as far > > as the needs of the upper level high school, college, and public library > > user. In this encyclopedia, we want to stress the historical origin of > > concepts. This should set the work apart from other similar > > publications. > > > > At the moment, there are approximately 600 planned headwords for the > > book. Prof. Rojas would like to invite a member of your to write an > > entry of ~2000 words on 'Analog Computers' for the encyclopedia. The > > entry would be compensated with $360. > > Our entire list of headwords may be viewed at > > http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~encyclop/Keywords.html > > The letters after each entry refer to the projected > > length of the article (A=2000, B=1500, C=800, D=400). The word counts > > are approximate, as long as the articles do not significantly vary from > > the proposed length. Payment is likewise broken down according to > > length ($360, $270, $150, $75 respectively). Payment will be issued upon > > acceptance of the articles after two editing processes. We would need > > the entry as readily as possible, although we are flexible with > > deadlines. > > > > We hope to have aroused your interest in our project and are looking > > forward to your reply. > > > > Best regards, > > Jenna Brinning > > Editor's Assistant > > --Doug > ==================================================== > Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) > Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) > Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com > Sunnyvale,CA > > Curator > Analog Computer Museum and History Center > http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog > ==================================================== > From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 10:30:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA19452 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:35:15 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 769 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 09:35:49 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 767 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 09:35:48 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 09:35:48 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13507 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:28:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: eCray In-Reply-To: <38EE0847.A96E951@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P14540.CNM Stop me if you've heard this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300348869 -- Doug From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 10:30:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA19456 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:38:02 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 805 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 09:38:37 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 803 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 09:38:36 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 09:38:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA13520 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:31:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 05:31:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Cosmac Micromonitor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P35700.CNM I thought I was the only one who had one of these. Now's your chance: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=303235938 -- Doug From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 10:42:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA19482 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:15:27 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 959 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 10:16:05 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 957 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 10:16:04 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 10:16:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13551 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 06:08:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 06:08:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: VCF 3.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P137C0.CNM Looks like Jim recently webified some VCF pics: http://www.computergarage.org/Garage/jcgm-vcfiii.shtml -- Doug From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 10:54:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA18785 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:12:07 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28032 invoked by alias); 7 Apr 2000 16:12:42 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28030 invoked by alias); 7 Apr 2000 16:12:41 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 16:12:41 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000407161240.IWRG27789.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: <38EE0847.A96E951@home.com> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:09:43 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: A is for analog Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P25840.CNM Guys, This is an email I received yesterday. I'm thinking about it. They say that Gordon Bell is also one of the authors: > Dear Mr Coward, > > The Moschovitis Group is coordinating the publishing of an Encyclopedia > of Computers and Computer History. Editor of the book is Prof. Raul > Rojas of the Freie Universität Berlin. The intended structure of the > book is a straightforward A-Z encyclopedia, to be comprehensive as far > as the needs of the upper level high school, college, and public library > user. In this encyclopedia, we want to stress the historical origin of > concepts. This should set the work apart from other similar > publications. > > At the moment, there are approximately 600 planned headwords for the > book. Prof. Rojas would like to invite a member of your to write an > entry of ~2000 words on 'Analog Computers' for the encyclopedia. The > entry would be compensated with $360. > Our entire list of headwords may be viewed at > http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~encyclop/Keywords.html > The letters after each entry refer to the projected > length of the article (A=2000, B=1500, C=800, D=400). The word counts > are approximate, as long as the articles do not significantly vary from > the proposed length. Payment is likewise broken down according to > length ($360, $270, $150, $75 respectively). Payment will be issued upon > acceptance of the articles after two editing processes. We would need > the entry as readily as possible, although we are flexible with > deadlines. > > We hope to have aroused your interest in our project and are looking > forward to your reply. > > Best regards, > Jenna Brinning > Editor's Assistant --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 10:55:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18984 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:06:51 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28762 invoked by alias); 7 Apr 2000 21:07:26 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28760 invoked by alias); 7 Apr 2000 21:07:26 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2000 21:07:26 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23491 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Monitors In-Reply-To: <20000108012441.3429.qmail@brouhaha.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P17B20.CNM I have a major disaster looming in terms of storage space. I need to get rid of most of 1000 sq ft of stuff. If I can get a bunch of stuff out now, then I'll be able to start sorting what lies underneath it. First group of stuff to go are a few dozen monitors. NOT flat-panel. NOT Super-VGA. NOT VGA (well, maybe some). half a dozen USI cubes: composite; some green screen, some amber half a dozen miscellaneous other composite monitors a few WYSE 700/Amdek 1280: 1280 x 800 monochrome with its own ISA card a bunch of MDA RGB separate synch almost all are working $5 each as-is, negotiable, with major discounts for quantity PLEASE! If you can use any old-style monitors, let me know! -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 10:55:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19831 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:55:07 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 2019 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 17:55:44 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2017 invoked by alias); 8 Apr 2000 17:55:44 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 17:55:44 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19827 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:55:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200004081755.KAA19827@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 10:47:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Finally! Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P16900.CNM http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 18:33:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01064 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:28:48 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3085 invoked by alias); 9 Apr 2000 01:28:28 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3083 invoked by alias); 9 Apr 2000 01:28:28 -0000 Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2000 01:28:28 -0000 Received: from [63.200.50.100] (adsl-63-200-50-100.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FSQ008UX6R724@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:28:19 -0700 From: Robert Arnold Subject: Re: Finally! X-Sender: punxy@postoffice.pacbell.net (Unverified) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P75D70.CNM Sellam sighed with relief: >http://www.1112.net/lastpage.html But there is, in the end, an end to it all: http://opaldata.com/the_end/index.html R. BTW - I'm going to see a guy tomorrow that has a working Next cube, monitor, optical drive and printer for sale for $200 - is this a decent price? -- Robert Arnold Editor-in-Chief DarkHorse2000 http://www.darkhorse2000.com robert@darkhorse2000.com "Information is the currency of democracy" - Thomas Jefferson "Politics is applesauce" -Will Rogers From ???@??? Sat Apr 08 18:56:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01092 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:52:51 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3172 invoked by alias); 9 Apr 2000 01:52:32 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3170 invoked by alias); 9 Apr 2000 01:52:31 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 9 Apr 2000 01:52:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14550 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:45:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:45:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Finally! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4B580.CNM On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Robert Arnold wrote: > BTW - I'm going to see a guy tomorrow that has a working Next cube, > monitor, optical drive and printer for sale for $200 - is this a decent > price? Yes, great price if it boots, and the display isn't burnt out. -- Doug From ???@??? Mon Apr 10 21:05:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03465 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:38:32 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 8852 invoked by alias); 10 Apr 2000 18:38:08 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 8850 invoked by alias); 10 Apr 2000 18:38:07 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2000 18:38:07 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00290 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27188 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:38:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04171 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:38:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004101838.LAA04171@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:38:02 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: eCray In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6BA30.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > Stop me if you've heard this one: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300348869 > > -- Doug > Hi Doug I was told that this machine was a cray in name only. I was told it was made from a number of sun processor boards slapped into a large box. Dwight From ???@??? Mon Apr 10 21:07:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03536 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:55:20 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9084 invoked by alias); 10 Apr 2000 19:55:05 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9082 invoked by alias); 10 Apr 2000 19:55:04 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 Apr 2000 19:55:04 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00300; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: classiccmp@classiccmp.org, baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: HPIB to HPIL adapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P564B0.CNM I have a Hewlett Packard adapter for connecting HPIB to HPIL. It is in original box, with AC adapter, manual, and HPIL cord (all that originally came with it) I want $15 plus shipping ($3.55 for priority mail in US) I also have a Hewlett Packard ISA HPIB card, plus cable. It doesn't look like it's been used, but I don't have manual or disks. $10 plus shipping. I've also got an IBM GPIB board, but it's under a bunch of other stuff somwewhere. If I don't get any response soon, I'll start putting the stuff on e-bay. -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 From ???@??? Tue Apr 11 20:34:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA04766 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 12:49:30 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 12883 invoked by alias); 11 Apr 2000 20:49:17 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12881 invoked by alias); 11 Apr 2000 20:49:16 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2000 20:49:16 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32296 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:49:11 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200004112049.NAA32296@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Anyone want a "1989 Mac"? To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:49:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P775F0.CNM Be nice, now! :) I received the following: The Cupertino Historical Society has a 1989 MAC. Do you want it? Ethel Worn, Director If someone does want it, please speak up (and contact Ethel). (The speak up is so that I don't try posting somewhere else.) thanks, -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Tue Apr 11 20:35:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04899 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:17:37 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13498 invoked by alias); 12 Apr 2000 00:17:08 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13496 invoked by alias); 12 Apr 2000 00:17:08 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail005.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 00:17:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 9007 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 00:17:01 -0000 Received: from 216-224-148-224.stk.jps.net (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.148.224]) (envelope-sender ) by mail005.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Apr 2000 00:17:01 -0000 Message-ID: <38F3C07D.FDD439EA@jps.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:17:03 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: Anyone want a "1989 Mac"? References: <200004112049.NAA32296@opus.allegro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P54E10.CNM 1989... Not a bad year, that was the start of the more compact color models (boxes) like the IIcx and IIci... Though the Plus was still being sold around that time... You could get on the internet with a 1989 mac... (your mileage may vary depending on model) Stan Sieler wrote: > > Be nice, now! :) > > I received the following: > > The Cupertino Historical Society has a 1989 MAC. Do you want it? > > Ethel Worn, Director > > > If someone does want it, please speak up (and contact Ethel). > > (The speak up is so that I don't try posting somewhere else.) > > thanks, > > Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Wed Apr 12 22:12:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06211 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:06:29 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 17419 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 03:06:20 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17417 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 03:06:19 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail019.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 03:06:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 19121 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2000 03:06:11 -0000 Received: from 216-224-145-149.stk.jps.net (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.145.149]) (envelope-sender ) by mail019.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Apr 2000 03:06:11 -0000 Message-ID: <38F5399F.7948EBD7@jps.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:06:20 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: 2" Floppy Disks... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P3EA40.CNM A couple weeks back I picked up a disk box with some 2" floppy disks, I figured they may be of use to *someone* The disks aeem to be from some IBM clone as one disk mentions Dr. Halo III, which I recall is a shareware 'beamer drawing program. A few labeled games one 'Ford Simulator' (which I recall is also an early IBM type game) Anyway there are 9 - 2" disks, and 10 2" disk cases (one disk missing)... anyone interested? -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Wed Apr 12 22:13:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06306 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:17:21 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 17768 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 05:17:14 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17766 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 05:17:13 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 05:17:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22596 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:10:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:10:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: 2" Floppy Disks... In-Reply-To: <38F5399F.7948EBD7@jps.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0D9E0.CNM I'm interested if nobody else has claimed them. They're useful for an oldtime ultra-portable laptop I have someplace (I forget the name, but I think it was an NEC minisport or something like that). -- Doug On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Larry Anderson wrote: > > A couple weeks back I picked up a disk box with some 2" floppy disks, I > figured they may be of use to *someone* > > The disks aeem to be from some IBM clone as one disk mentions Dr. Halo > III, which I recall is a shareware 'beamer drawing program. A few > labeled games one 'Ford Simulator' (which I recall is also an early IBM > type game) > > Anyway there are 9 - 2" disks, and 10 2" disk cases (one disk > missing)... anyone interested? > > -- > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 > Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 > 300-2400 bps > Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html > SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 > From ???@??? Wed Apr 12 22:26:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06332 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:32:44 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 17845 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 05:32:36 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17843 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 05:32:35 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 05:32:35 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22630 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:25:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:25:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: 2" Floppy Disks... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P6D140.CNM Damn, this is driving me nuts. Where are Fred and Roger when you need them? Which laptop was it that used 2" floppies? I've mixed up the original 1988 NEC Ultralite (which used SRAM for storage) and the Zenith Minisport. Did one of them have an external 2" floppy drive? Or was it something else. -- Doug On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Doug Salot wrote: > I'm interested if nobody else has claimed them. They're useful for an > oldtime ultra-portable laptop I have someplace (I forget the name, but I > think it was an NEC minisport or something like that). > > -- Doug > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Larry Anderson wrote: > > > > > A couple weeks back I picked up a disk box with some 2" floppy disks, I > > figured they may be of use to *someone* > > > > The disks aeem to be from some IBM clone as one disk mentions Dr. Halo > > III, which I recall is a shareware 'beamer drawing program. A few > > labeled games one 'Ford Simulator' (which I recall is also an early IBM > > type game) > > > > Anyway there are 9 - 2" disks, and 10 2" disk cases (one disk > > missing)... anyone interested? > > > > -- > > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 > > Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 > > 300-2400 bps > > Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html > > SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html > > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 > > > From ???@??? Wed Apr 12 22:53:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06549 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:58:11 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 17938 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 05:58:03 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17936 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 05:58:03 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 05:58:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22683 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:51:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: 2" Floppy Disks... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P122E0.CNM [Must stop talking to myself....] OK, the Zenith Minisport had a 2.5" floppy drive, not a 2". I have no idea what the 2" floppies go to. I do have an old Canon XapShot that used 2" video floppies, though. -- Doug On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Doug Salot wrote: > Damn, this is driving me nuts. Where are Fred and Roger when you need > them? Which laptop was it that used 2" floppies? I've mixed up the > original 1988 NEC Ultralite (which used SRAM for storage) and the Zenith > Minisport. Did one of them have an external 2" floppy drive? Or was it > something else. > > -- Doug > > On Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Doug Salot wrote: > > > I'm interested if nobody else has claimed them. They're useful for an > > oldtime ultra-portable laptop I have someplace (I forget the name, but I > > think it was an NEC minisport or something like that). > > > > -- Doug > > > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Larry Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > > A couple weeks back I picked up a disk box with some 2" floppy disks, I > > > figured they may be of use to *someone* > > > > > > The disks aeem to be from some IBM clone as one disk mentions Dr. Halo > > > III, which I recall is a shareware 'beamer drawing program. A few > > > labeled games one 'Ford Simulator' (which I recall is also an early IBM > > > type game) > > > > > > Anyway there are 9 - 2" disks, and 10 2" disk cases (one disk > > > missing)... anyone interested? > > > > > > -- > > > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 > > > Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 > > > 300-2400 bps > > > Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html > > > SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html > > > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 > > > > > > From ???@??? Thu Apr 13 09:57:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07047 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:04:52 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20357 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 17:04:45 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20355 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 17:04:45 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 17:04:45 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA24027 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:04:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl Subject: Re: 2" Floppy Disks... In-Reply-To: <38F5399F.7948EBD7@jps.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P52080.CNM About 15? years ago, several different comapanies came out with 2", 2.5", and 2.9" floppies. ISTR that the Zenith Minisport? used a 2.5". Some of the various disks were minitaurized versions of 3.5", and deliberately matched specs so that they could be substituted (80 track, 9 or 18 sectors per track, etc.). There were also some others that were "completely different", such as having one spiral track. I would love to have one (or more, or all) to add to my collection of diskettes. Preferably a used one with lots of files on it. But I will willingly defer to anyone who has an actual use for them. How much would you like for them? Care to trade for a 3" or a 3.25"? OB_OT_analogy: The counterfeiters were so dumb that they made $18 bills. They decided to try to exchange them way out in the boonies. They found a likely looking yokel, and asked for change. He replied, "would you prefer 2 nines or 3 sixes?" -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Larry Anderson wrote: > A couple weeks back I picked up a disk box with some 2" floppy disks, I > figured they may be of use to *someone* > > The disks aeem to be from some IBM clone as one disk mentions Dr. Halo > III, which I recall is a shareware 'beamer drawing program. A few > labeled games one 'Ford Simulator' (which I recall is also an early IBM > type game) > > Anyway there are 9 - 2" disks, and 10 2" disk cases (one disk > missing)... anyone interested? > > -- > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 > Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 > 300-2400 bps > Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html > SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html > 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Thu Apr 13 21:04:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07173 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:42:02 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21576 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 19:41:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21574 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 19:41:53 -0000 Received: from uxl.longs.com (199.108.9.10) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 19:41:53 -0000 Received: from RSINASOHN.ricochet.net ([10.24.52.110]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA336E; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:41:16 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000413123608.00d86a60@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:37:50 -0700 To: Doug Salot From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: 2" Floppy Disks... Cc: baccl In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P09D80.CNM At 01:25 AM 4/13/00 -0400, Doug Salot wrote: >Damn, this is driving me nuts. Where are Fred and Roger when you need >them? Which laptop was it that used 2" floppies? I've mixed up the >original 1988 NEC Ultralite (which used SRAM for storage) and the Zenith >Minisport. Did one of them have an external 2" floppy drive? Or was it >something else. I'm pretty sure it was the Zenith Minisport. P.S., I've been out of it lately, with too much work, too little sleep, computer problems, new startup, etc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Thu Apr 13 21:12:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07286 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:29:12 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23160 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 22:29:05 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23158 invoked by alias); 13 Apr 2000 22:29:04 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 22:29:04 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10538 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:29:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:29:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl Subject: FS: Northstar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2E660.CNM Northstar Advantage. Two drives. Looks nice, but I do not even have a system diskette to even try it out. Best offer over $100 -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 From ???@??? Thu Apr 13 22:53:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07526 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:51:41 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 26459 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2000 04:51:34 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26457 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2000 04:51:34 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail013.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 04:51:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22834 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 04:51:22 -0000 Received: from 216-224-151-234.stk.jps.net (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.151.234]) (envelope-sender ) by mail013.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Apr 2000 04:51:22 -0000 Message-ID: <38F6A3C5.DA7CA435@jps.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:51:21 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: 2" Floppy Disks... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P79900.CNM Since there is no urgent need for them I'll hang onto one (these things are a tad bigger then a mounted slide!) and I'll send the rest to Sam for him to pass along. I myself was thinking they were for one of those semi-word processing units that Sears had sold, I recall them using small drives and a few were CP/M and/or MS-DOS units in disguise. But I think a laptop would be more likely as they are hand-labeled, probably downloads or copied from a larger medum. :/ "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" wrote: > > About 15? years ago, several different comapanies came out with 2", 2.5", > and 2.9" floppies. > > ISTR that the Zenith Minisport? used a 2.5". > > Some of the various disks were minitaurized versions of 3.5", and > deliberately matched specs so that they could be substituted (80 track, 9 > or 18 sectors per track, etc.). There were also some others that were > "completely different", such as having one spiral track. > > I would love to have one (or more, or all) to add to my collection of > diskettes. Preferably a used one with lots of files on it. > > But I will willingly defer to anyone who has an actual use for them. > > How much would you like for them? > Care to trade for a 3" or a 3.25"? > > OB_OT_analogy: The counterfeiters were so dumb that they made $18 bills. > They decided to try to exchange them way out in the boonies. They found a > likely looking yokel, and asked for change. He replied, "would you prefer > 2 nines or 3 sixes?" > > -- > Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com > XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com > 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 > Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2000, Larry Anderson wrote: > > A couple weeks back I picked up a disk box with some 2" floppy disks, I > > figured they may be of use to *someone* > > > > The disks aeem to be from some IBM clone as one disk mentions Dr. Halo > > III, which I recall is a shareware 'beamer drawing program. A few > > labeled games one 'Ford Simulator' (which I recall is also an early IBM > > type game) > > > > Anyway there are 9 - 2" disks, and 10 2" disk cases (one disk > > missing)... anyone interested? -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Fri Apr 14 19:47:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08309 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:07:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 4949 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2000 23:07:52 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 4947 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2000 23:07:51 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 23:07:51 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05065 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:07:45 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200004142307.QAA05065@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Get-together on Sat, May 13? (post foothill) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P0B170.CNM Hi, I'm thinking of inviting people over to the office in Cupertino on Saturday, May 13, around noon. Anyone have any themes to suggest? If I haven't been taken, I'll have a new Jupiter Ace to play with, so "Forth" could be one candidate. (I finally got a FORTH ROM for my HP-71B, too.) (Remember, anything is fair game for show & tell, regardless of ostensible theme.) thanks, -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun Apr 16 23:21:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10462 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:15:36 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 359 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 02:15:36 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 357 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 02:15:35 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 02:15:35 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10458 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:15:27 -0700 Message-Id: <200004170115.SAA10458@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:16:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: David Ahls e-mail address & PCC 2000 Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3CE50.CNM In case anyone is interested in contacting Dave Ahl his e-mail address is apparently . On another note, I went and picked up a PCC 2000 (Pertec Computer Corporation) from the Sonora area today. I must say it was quite a feat. I intended to get pictures of it so that I could prove that I did indeed have a 21" x 32" by 60" cabinet weighing in at around 200 pounds stuffed into the back seat of my Honda. To accomplish this I actually had to remove my door...a first in the hauling history of my ever faithful Honda Civic. I also hauled away the actual computer (an 8085-based all-in-one machine with 2 8" floppies), a printer, its stand, and some various manuals, disk packs and printer paper. The cabinet held a 19" rackmount removeable carthridge hard drive. I actually loaded and unloaded the thing myself as well. That was quite a feat too. Anyway, I stopped off at home to show my wife and forgot to grab my camera. I wanted to take a picture of the computer in the car and then a picture of the entire thing set up. I was going to post the picture of the assembled setup to the VCF website with the caption "Personal Computer?" and then a picture of the computer in the car with the caption "Absolutely!" Quite dramatic, wouldn't y'all say? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun Apr 16 23:23:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10545 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:24:56 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 681 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 04:24:52 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 679 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 04:24:51 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 04:24:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29565 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:18:02 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:18:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: David Ahls e-mail address & PCC 2000 In-Reply-To: <200004170115.SAA10458@siconic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P16B00.CNM On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > In case anyone is interested in contacting Dave Ahl his e-mail address is > apparently . Have you already contacted him? Somebody should interview him, but I'm not that familiar with his work. All I know is Creative Computing and his cool cartoons, and frankly I liked BYTE better :-) > To accomplish this I actually had to remove my door...a first in the > hauling history of my ever faithful Honda Civic. Damn! You sure this wasn't like the DEC haul in which you insisted on doing everything the hard way? -- Doug From ???@??? Sun Apr 16 23:24:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10570 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:56:42 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 769 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 04:56:44 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 767 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 04:56:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29609 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:49:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 00:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: David Ahls e-mail address & PCC 2000 In-Reply-To: <200004170115.SAA10458@siconic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P57420.CNM On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > In case anyone is interested in contacting Dave Ahl his e-mail address is > apparently . How sure are you of this? A quick web search indicates that that address belongs to the editor of _Military Vehicles Magazine_. Not likely the same David Ahl, since I remeber Creative Computing having somewhat of a left-wing pacifist bent. -- Doug From ???@??? Sun Apr 16 23:24:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10588 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:17:25 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 894 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 05:17:29 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 892 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 05:17:28 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail022.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 05:17:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 26314 invoked from network); 17 Apr 2000 05:17:21 -0000 Received: from 216-224-156-60.stk.jps.net (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.156.60]) (envelope-sender ) by mail022.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Apr 2000 05:17:21 -0000 Message-ID: <38FA9E61.4CE1C564@jps.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:17:30 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: [Fwd: David Ahls e-mail address & PCC 2000] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C69FBDDBDE1ECF59AEB0530C" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 570949760 0 1 P58300.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C69FBDDBDE1ECF59AEB0530C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We really need to get that "reply to" line fixed (nudge, nudge) --------------C69FBDDBDE1ECF59AEB0530C Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <38FA9E11.C58A26D1@jps.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:16:09 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Salot Subject: Re: David Ahls e-mail address & PCC 2000 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Salot wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > > In case anyone is interested in contacting Dave Ahl his e-mail address is > > apparently . > > How sure are you of this? A quick web search indicates that that address > belongs to the editor of _Military Vehicles Magazine_. Not likely the > same David Ahl, since I remeber Creative Computing having somewhat of a > left-wing pacifist bent. > > -- Doug Well the David Ahl in Military Vehicles has the same middle initial, H.... aha! the addresses in "David Ahl's BASIC Computer Adventures" (c) 1986 and The Military Vehicles Magazine match! 12-W1 Indian Head Road Morristown, NJ 07960 Though in BASIC Computer Adventures it is just 12 Indain Head Road, (I bet the W1 is to clue him in on it being n address from the website. Sure would be cool to interview him, about doing the magazine and thoughts on computers and programming today (as most of his books wew meant to be examples to learn and develop programming skills and not just type-in games. :) -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 --------------C69FBDDBDE1ECF59AEB0530C-- From ???@??? Sun Apr 16 23:36:28 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA09539 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:45:50 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21226 invoked by alias); 16 Apr 2000 07:39:13 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21222 invoked by alias); 16 Apr 2000 07:39:12 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2000 07:39:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28358 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:31:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:31:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Apple BioLab In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P2E2D0.CNM Anybody know if this thing was actually made by apple? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307927057 -- Doug From ???@??? Sun Apr 16 23:40:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10653 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:36:09 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 1094 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 06:36:00 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1092 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 06:36:00 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 06:36:00 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10649 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:35:51 -0700 Message-Id: <200004170535.WAA10649@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:36:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Apple BioLab Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5D420.CNM On 16 Apr 00, at 3:31, Doug Salot wrote: > Anybody know if this thing was actually made by apple? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307927057 Did you ever find anything out about this? Looks cool. I'm almost tempted to bid on it. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 00:25:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10688 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 23:19:21 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 1240 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 07:19:25 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 1238 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 07:19:24 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 07:19:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29902 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:12:35 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 03:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: Apple BioLab In-Reply-To: <200004170535.WAA10649@siconic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P05FE0.CNM On Sun, 16 Apr 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=307927057 > > Did you ever find anything out about this? Looks cool. I'm almost > tempted to bid on it. Looks cool, but homegrown to me. Looks like an apple keyboard in a custom enclosure and an apple emblem stuck on a "biolab 21 computer system". -- Doug From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 08:57:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA10949 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 06:59:49 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 2357 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 14:59:52 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2355 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 14:59:52 -0000 Received: from mate.kjsl.com (205.179.23.61) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 14:59:51 -0000 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mate.kjsl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA28808 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from fmc@localhost) by daemonweed.reanimators.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA34385; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fmc) Message-Id: <200004171441.HAA34385@daemonweed.reanimators.org> Sender: fmc@reanimators.org To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: David Ahls e-mail address & PCC 2000 References: <200004170115.SAA10458@siconic.com> From: Frank McConnell Date: 17 Apr 2000 07:41:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: "Sellam Ismail"'s message of "Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:16:01 -0700" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P15BC0.CNM "Sellam Ismail" wrote: > In case anyone is interested in contacting Dave Ahl his e-mail address is > apparently . Yep. Someone pointed out his page on whowhere.com a while back: http://people.whowhere.com/pages/DaveAhl@aol.com It doesn't say much but it does say this: --- cut here --- Yes, I am the founder of Creative Computing, the first personal computing magazine (in 1974) and, yes, I am the author of Basic Computer Games and 21 other books. No I can't solve your Basic games problems because today I am a financial planner. However, if you'd like help with planning your financial future or in making investments, especially international ones, then I'd be happy to speak with you (free the first time, $$ after that). This Listing was Last Customized in March '96 --- cut here --- > a 21" x 32" by 60" cabinet weighing in at around 200 pounds stuffed into > [...]. The cabinet held a 19" rackmount removeable > carthridge hard drive. I actually loaded and unloaded the thing myself as > well. That was quite a feat too. All that cabinet for a cartridge (note, no 'h') disk drive? -Frank McConnell From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 09:37:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11010 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:19:24 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 2628 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 16:19:28 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2626 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 16:19:24 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 16:19:24 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11006 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:19:05 -0700 Message-Id: <200004171519.IAA11006@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:19:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Eliza and other programs of its ilk Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P43820.CNM Want to warp Eliza's puny little mind? http://computingcentral.msn.com/topics/ai/newsletter0699.asp There are also other Eliza type programs linked there. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 11:11:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11062 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:45:19 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 2893 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 17:45:24 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2891 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 17:45:23 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 17:45:23 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25782 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:45:18 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200004171745.KAA25782@opus.allegro.com> Subject: I got my Jupiter ACE! Now what? :) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6B1A0.CNM Hi, I finally received my Jupiter ACE! (I bought it from a guy in England, just before Christmas ... I'd begun to despair of ever receiving it!) It comes with a mains adaptor that puts out 9V AC ... I figure I can determine the polarity of the tip and substitute a 110 V adaptor. But...I don't have a PAL TV! Any suggestions? It came with one tape (Lunar Lander), and nothing else. (Just the computer, (Jupiter ACE 4000), the mains adapter, and the tape.) -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 11:11:16 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11070 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:51:23 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 2960 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 17:51:29 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 2958 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 17:51:28 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 17:51:28 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 7131 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 17:51:27 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 17:51:27 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000417105417.04233910@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:56:16 -0700 To: Stan Sieler , baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: I got my Jupiter ACE! Now what? :) In-Reply-To: <200004171745.KAA25782@opus.allegro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2DBE0.CNM At 10:45 AM 4/17/00 -0700, Stan Sieler wrote: >But...I don't have a PAL TV! >Any suggestions? A multisync monitor? If you can buy a box that decomposes the PAL video signals into RGB+sync. Tony Duell might know how to change it over to NTSC but you get fewer lines of resolution that way. --Chuck From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 20:57:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11090 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 10:14:05 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3053 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 18:14:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3051 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 18:14:10 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19435 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03803 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04256 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004171814.LAA04256@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:14:09 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: I got my Jupiter ACE! Now what? :) In-Reply-To: <200004171745.KAA25782@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2D520.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > > I finally received my Jupiter ACE! (I bought it from a guy in England, > just before Christmas ... I'd begun to despair of ever receiving it!) > > It comes with a mains adaptor that puts out 9V AC ... I figure I can > determine the polarity of the tip and substitute a 110 V adaptor. > > But...I don't have a PAL TV! > > Any suggestions? > > It came with one tape (Lunar Lander), and nothing else. (Just the computer, > (Jupiter ACE 4000), the mains adapter, and the tape.) > > -- > Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com > www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler Hi Stan I wonder what the difference is between the US version and the GB one. I can bring my unit to the next meeting and we can determine the differences. There is a web page that has schematics for the Jupiter Ace: http://www.home-micros.freeserve.co.uk/JupiterAce/JupiterAce.html It might be just where they put some of the taps on the counter sting of '393's that they use to generate stobes. If you want, I'll look at mine to see what is different from this schematic. Dwight From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 21:01:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA11134 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:24:39 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3308 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 19:24:44 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3306 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 19:24:44 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 19:24:44 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28486 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: I got my Jupiter ACE! Now what? :) In-Reply-To: <200004171745.KAA25782@opus.allegro.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P72740.CNM > It comes with a mains adaptor that puts out 9V AC ... I figure I can > determine the polarity of the tip and substitute a 110 V adaptor. For DC it could be quite serious, but just how serious would the consequences be if you reversed the polarity on 9V AC? > But...I don't have a PAL TV! Does it have any other video interfaces? (RGBS maybe?) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 21:01:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11206 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:25:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3620 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 21:26:04 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3618 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 21:26:03 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23345 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:31:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA20598 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06885 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004172126.OAA06885@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:26:02 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: I got my Jupiter ACE! Now what? :) In-Reply-To: <200004172010.NAA27341@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P78080.CNM Hi What is the difference between PAL and the US standard? Dwight From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 21:02:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11214 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:32:56 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3668 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 21:33:01 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3666 invoked by alias); 17 Apr 2000 21:33:01 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 17 Apr 2000 21:33:01 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23544 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22748 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06956 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004172133.OAA06956@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Need drive info In-Reply-To: <200004172010.NAA27341@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P3AAC0.CNM Hi I'm trying to find out the pinout for a SA900 8 inch drive. Help? Does anyone have any info on this drive??? Dwight From ???@??? Mon Apr 17 21:04:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11358 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:26:09 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 4314 invoked by alias); 18 Apr 2000 01:26:13 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 4312 invoked by alias); 18 Apr 2000 01:26:13 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 18 Apr 2000 01:26:13 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31142 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:26:13 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200004180126.SAA31142@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Anyone want "NCR 6300 Plus Hardware Reference" manual (& more) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:26:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P11000.CNM Hi, I've got some NCR 6300 manuals I don't want: Hardware Reference Manual AT&T Personal Computer 6300 PLUS ST-2125-50 Service Manual AT&T Personal Computer 6300 PLUS ST-2125-49 Getting Started With Your AT&T Personal Computer 6300 PLUS ST-2125-48 and one 5.25" floppy: Customer Diagnostic 6300 + Getting Started ST-92125-48 Free to a good home. thanks, -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Wed Apr 19 21:28:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13620 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:01:03 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 10936 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 22:01:14 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10934 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 22:01:13 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 22:01:13 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05223 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23930 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23182 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004192201.PAA23182@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:01:08 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Burroughs B80 computer X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2C270.CNM Hi What is a 'Burroughs B80' ? Dwight http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=312543750 From ???@??? Wed Apr 19 21:30:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13643 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:48:29 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11077 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 22:48:38 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11075 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 22:48:37 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 22:48:37 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04523 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:41:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:41:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Burroughs B80 computer In-Reply-To: <200004192201.PAA23182@civic.hal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4C7B0.CNM Google is your friend: http://www.elektrondata.se/verksamhet/historia.html -- Doug On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote: > Hi > What is a 'Burroughs B80' ? > Dwight > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=312543750 > From ???@??? Wed Apr 19 21:30:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13672 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:22:59 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11200 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 23:23:10 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11198 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 23:23:09 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 23:23:09 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06874 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28768 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24229 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004192323.QAA24229@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:23:08 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: Burroughs B80 computer In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P31390.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > Google is your friend: > http://www.elektrondata.se/verksamhet/historia.html > > -- Doug > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote: > > > Hi > > What is a 'Burroughs B80' ? > > Dwight > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=312543750 > > It looks a little on the big side. Maybe I should hold off bidding on it. I'm not sure how I'd truck it here and once here, where I'd put it. I wonder if it comes with the removable disk and card reader/punch? Dwight From ???@??? Wed Apr 19 21:31:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13687 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:49:00 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11283 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 23:49:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11281 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 23:49:06 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 23:49:06 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07342 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10196 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24557 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004192349.QAA24557@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:49:05 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[3]: Burroughs B80 computer In-Reply-To: <200004192323.QAA24229@civic.hal.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P509F0.CNM The fellow that has the first bid has a domain name ending in .br. Is that Brazil? I wonder if they are still using one of these and looking for spare parts? Dwight From ???@??? Wed Apr 19 21:32:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA13698 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:51:18 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11318 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 23:51:29 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11316 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 2000 23:51:29 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 23:51:29 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24132; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:51:18 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200004192351.QAA24132@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Re: Burroughs B80 computer To: doug@blinkenlights.com (Doug Salot) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-Reply-To: from "Doug Salot" at Apr 19, 2000 06:41:55 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6F170.CNM Hi, Re: > Google is your friend: > http://www.elektrondata.se/verksamhet/historia.html That describes the history of Elektrondata, and give a small amount of technical info about two Burroughs computers...but not the B80 :( It says: THe B-700: 16 MHz, 32 KM memory, two removable disks of 1.3 MB. Programmed via console or cards (80 or 96 column). 160 LPM line printer. Used COBOL. The B-800: had a keyboard with 150 keys! No..I don't read Swedish...but my partner, Steve Cooper, does :) All I can say in Swedish is "I have to piss". -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 09:30:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16609 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:22:35 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20367 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 16:22:53 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20365 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 16:22:52 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 16:22:52 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16605 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:22:26 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221522.IAA16605@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:23:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) [Tgeller-business] Opportunity for freelance (techie) ed Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P103C0.CNM Here's something that may interest you limey's. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:41:06 -0700 From: Tom Geller To: Subject: [Tgeller-business] Opportunity for freelance (techie) editors Any of you techie editor types want to make a little extra scratch? Contact Shelly directly. (She, like many of the NotHarvard.com people, is a former MacUser person and all-around Good Egg.) --Tom ---begin--- From: Shelly Brisbin [mailto:shelly_brisbin@notharvard.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 6:52 AM Subject: Opportunities for Editors Dear Friends, First of all, please forgive the mass mailing, but read on. I (currently) have no political agenda, worthy cause, humorous story or commercial message to share. What I do have are opportunities for freelance editors. Now I know that most of you are gainfully employed by large corporations or other Internet startups, but I also know that you have friends or (perhaps) time for another project now and then. I'm currently building a list of freelance editors to edit technology courses for notHarvard.com, an online educational site. Editors will work directly with course authors. Each course will be edited during a two week period, and you will be paid hourly. 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VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 10:02:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16647 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:56:08 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20466 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 16:56:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20464 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 16:56:26 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 16:56:26 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16643 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:56:03 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221556.IAA16643@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:57:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Core Wars Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P74AE0.CNM I'm currently researching Core Wars and would like to implement a version for a VCF competition. Any ideas? Rax sent me a bunch of links, and this one http://www.mcraeclan.com/Graeme/CoreWars.htm says: "Popularized in May, 1984 by A. K. Dewdney's column in "Scientific American" magazine, this was actually devised by Victor Vyssotsky, Robert Morris Sr., and Dennis Ritchie in the early 1960s (their original game was called "Darwin" and ran on a PDP-1 at Bell Labs). -- {HYPERLINK "http://www.netmeg.net/jargon/"}The Jargon Dictionary" Sart searching for that issue. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 10:02:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16657 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:59:46 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20518 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 17:00:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20516 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 17:00:05 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16653 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:59:42 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:00:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Dang it Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P57000.CNM Stupid e-mail software. Didn't mean to send that message yet. Anyway, any ideas for Core War would be appreciated. Also, I guess it's time to start thinking of planning for VCF 4.0. I'd like to try to coincide the event this year with the Classic Arcade Game show (what's it called?) Who has the contact info for the producer of that event? I figure by banding together we can more easily secure a space at the SCCC to host the event, share the rental costs of the space, and also share our attendees, perhaps by having a single pass that let's you into both events. I'd also like to try to do the time capsule this year, but I'm afraid that would be a full-time task that one person would have to dedicate their time to. Finding a city to host/sponsor it would be the biggest challenge. I was thinking it would be cool to coincide with the "millennium" but since 2001 is the true Millennium we could just wait till next year :) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 11:45:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16735 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:37:56 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20777 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 18:38:14 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20773 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 18:38:13 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 18:38:13 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16731 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:37:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221737.KAA16731@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:38:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: R.I.P. Interval Research Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P04700.CNM Interval Research, started by Paul Allen and David Liddle, and where, among others, the likes of Lee Felsenstein has been working in secrecy for several years, is no more. Apparently a press release at http://www.interval.com gives the details, but I guess maybe people have already started stripping the place, since I couldn't connect :) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 12:04:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16776 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:58:13 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20847 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 18:58:32 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20845 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 18:58:31 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16772 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:58:08 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221758.KAA16772@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:59:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Collectors from Holland & India please contact me Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P06B80.CNM Someone writing an article for Playboy magazine wants to interview someone from Holland and India (specifically mentioned cities: Amsterdam and Bangalore) about their local computer culture. Please e- mail me directly if you perhaps want to be interviewed. Also, she would like information about the different locations around the world trying to model their local high tech economy around the Silicon Valley, and calling themselves "Silicon ", ie. Silicon Corridor, Silicon Gulch, etc. If your local high tech community is referred to as the "Silicon " and you can talk a bit about it then please contact me and I'll pass your info along to her. Thanks! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 12:39:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16793 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:03:13 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221803.LAA16793@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: "Sellam Ismail" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:04:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Collectors from Holland & India please contact me Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200004221758.KAA16772@siconic.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P7BD70.CNM Shit, that was supposed to go to ClassicCmp. At any rate, if anyone knows anyone who fits the bill then please let me know. If Playboy publishes the article then computer collecting will without a doubt be propelled to the highest eschelons of modern day culture ;) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 13:42:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16893 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:37:07 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21130 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 20:37:25 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21128 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 20:37:24 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 20:37:24 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16889 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:37:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221937.MAA16889@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Four Phase Systems mini Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: I have a chance to get a Four Phase Systems mini from the early 70s! Four Phase is one of the companies that made a claim to inventing the "first" microprocessor, so I'm thinking and hoping that maybe this machine contains versions of that chip. The only problem is the unit is in Florida, and is comprised of a couple big "stove-sized" cabinets weighing perhaps a couple hundred pounds each. Any ideas? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 14:29:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16912 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:46:52 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21174 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 20:47:06 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21172 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 20:47:04 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 20:47:04 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16907 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:46:41 -0700 Message-Id: <200004221946.MAA16907@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:47:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: Burroughs B-80 Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: Here is a reply I got back from the guys selling that B-80 on eBay. Is anyone going to place a serious bid on it? If I had the space and some money burning a whole thru my pocket I certainly would. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: "Sam King" To: Subject: Re: Burroughs B-80 Date sent: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:13:42 -0400 Sellem, We bought this machine in 1979 and used it continuously untill appr 1987. It was still running fine untill we retired it. We do not have a way to post pictures of this machine. It is about the size of an office desk and is not beat up at all. It has been sitting in the corner of the office since we quite using it, not in a wearhouse somewhere. Please give me a call at 1-800-638-2852 if you have any questions. Ask for Sam or Jim. -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail To: skjr@bellsouth.net Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:30 AM Subject: Burroughs B-80 Do you have pictures and/or a little more information on this machine than you have in the eBay listing??? Thanks. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! ------- End of forwarded message ------- Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 14:31:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA16925 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:58:46 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21230 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 20:59:03 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21228 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from mail1.intermedia.net (206.40.48.151) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 20:59:02 -0000 Received: from sagan (unverified [198.68.194.130]) by mail1.intermedia.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:58:38 -0700 From: "Sean Mondout" To: Subject: PKZip Inventor dies at 37 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:02:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P15C20.CNM Just thought I'd pass it on... http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pkzip000422.html From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 18:50:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail1.intermedia.net (mail1.intermedia.net [206.40.48.151]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17001 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:23:54 -0700 Received: from sagan (unverified [198.68.194.130]) by mail1.intermedia.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:23:53 -0700 From: "Sean Mondout" To: Subject: RE: PKZip Inventor dies at 37 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:27:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004222030.NAA16960@siconic.com> Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P400E0.CNM I wish you had sent that to the group. I greatly appreciate dark humor and your remark is the best I've heard in a long time. -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:dastar@siconic.com] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 2:32 PM To: Sean Mondout Subject: Re: PKZip Inventor dies at 37 On 22 Apr 00, at 14:02, Sean Mondout wrote: > Just thought I'd pass it on... > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pkzip000422.html Wow, what a trip. I wonder if he'll be cremated so he takes up less space? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 18:51:44 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA17027 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:02:03 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21561 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 23:02:21 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21557 invoked by alias); 22 Apr 2000 23:02:21 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 23:02:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 22856 invoked by uid 342); 22 Apr 2000 23:03:33 -0000 Date: 22 Apr 2000 23:03:33 -0000 Message-ID: <20000422230333.22855.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> (dastar@siconic.com) Subject: Re: Dang it References: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 0 1 P48AC0.CNM > I'd like to try to coincide the event this year with the Classic Arcade > Game show (what's it called?) California Extreme? > I figure by banding together we can more easily secure a space > at the SCCC to host the event, share the rental costs of the space, and > also share our attendees, perhaps by having a single pass that let's you > into both events. My personal preference would be to NOT do this. I'm interested in both things, but I'm more interested in VCF and wouldn't wind up getting to spend any time on the arcade side of things. From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 18:52:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17069 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:06:06 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21735 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 00:06:25 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21733 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 00:06:25 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail003.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 00:06:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16493 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2000 00:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.144.205]) (envelope-sender ) by mail003.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2000 00:06:18 -0000 Message-ID: <39023E81.5EAE85C8@jps.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:06:27 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: PKZip Inventor dies at 37 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P21AC0.CNM Sean Mondout wrote: > > Just thought I'd pass it on... > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pkzip000422.html > You know this is one of my fears, not of alcoholism, but if just early nerd death... Just in the Commodore BBS circles, the past few years have seen at least three sysops drop their boards and then die or fall seriously ill... makes me worry sometimes... BTW happy day! I got a 20mghz accellerator for my 64 (wich is a major boost from 1mghz), the BBS will really fly now... for the 5 or so users who still call it... ;) Larry -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 19:15:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17119 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:11:49 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21901 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 01:12:07 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21899 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 01:12:07 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 01:12:07 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10737 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:05:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:05:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: R.I.P. Interval Research In-Reply-To: <200004221737.KAA16731@siconic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P72200.CNM Wired did a nice piece on them last year: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.12/interval.html On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > Interval Research, started by Paul Allen and David Liddle, and where, > among others, the likes of Lee Felsenstein has been working in secrecy > for several years, is no more. > > Apparently a press release at http://www.interval.com gives the details, > but I guess maybe people have already started stripping the place, since > I couldn't connect :) > > Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany > VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) > VCF East: Planning in Progress > See http://www.vintage.org for details! > From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 19:15:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17147 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:48:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 22010 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 01:49:16 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 22008 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 01:49:16 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17143 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:48:50 -0700 Message-Id: <200004230048.RAA17143@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:49:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: PKZip Inventor dies at 37 Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P76B00.CNM On 22 Apr 00, at 14:02, Sean Mondout wrote: > Just thought I'd pass it on... > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/pkzip000422.html Wow, what a trip. I wonder if he'll be cremated so he takes up less space? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 19:15:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17158 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:50:54 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 22045 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 01:51:13 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 22043 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 01:51:13 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17154 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:50:48 -0700 Message-Id: <200004230050.RAA17154@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:51:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Dang it Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20000422230333.22855.qmail@brouhaha.com> References: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> (dastar@siconic.com) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P69760.CNM On 22 Apr 00, at 23:03, Eric Smith wrote: > California Extreme? Yes. > My personal preference would be to NOT do this. I'm interested in both > things, but I'm more interested in VCF and wouldn't wind up getting to > spend any time on the arcade side of things. Hmm, I hadn't considered this. Hmmm. I'll have to think on it. In the very least I'd still like to talk to the promoter of CE to see what he thinks. So if anyone has his contact info please pass it along. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 22:51:38 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17300 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:07:09 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 22483 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 05:07:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 22481 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 05:07:27 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 05:07:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10940 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:00:54 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 01:00:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: R.I.P. Interval Research In-Reply-To: <200004221737.KAA16731@siconic.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P00E60.CNM On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote: > Apparently a press release at http://www.interval.com gives the details, > but I guess maybe people have already started stripping the place, since > I couldn't connect :) Here's the press release: http://www.paulallen.com/press/releases/releaseLink.asp?recNo=846 -- Doug From ???@??? Sat Apr 22 22:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17324 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:47:10 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 22607 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 05:47:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 22605 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 05:47:31 -0000 Received: from ws37-n0.hq.home.mcmanis.com (HELO yikes.mcmanis.com) (192.168.110.37) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 05:47:31 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000422224848.02340100@208.226.86.10> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:51:10 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Help moving the PDP-5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P06D00.CNM I finally rescued the PDP-5 from Las Vegas and now it is sitting in my wife's van waiting to be off loaded over at Tut's (formerly FreeGate's) office. I'm soliciting volunteers for tomorrow afternoon if anyone is in town and willing to help. Two volunteers would be good three would be more than adequate, I'll buy dinner at St. John's afterward. --Chuck (408) 245-9652 (leave a message) From ???@??? Sun Apr 23 11:30:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18041 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:13:16 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24344 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 18:13:37 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24340 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 18:13:36 -0000 Received: from ws37-n0.hq.home.mcmanis.com (HELO yikes.mcmanis.com) (192.168.110.37) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 18:13:36 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000423111622.030708c0@208.226.86.10> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:17:17 -0700 To: dastar@siconic.com, baccl From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: Dang it Cc: Dale Luck In-Reply-To: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5B1C0.CNM Sam, meet Dale. Dale, meet Sam. Dale co-ordinated the classic arcade show last year. --Chuck At 10:00 AM 4/22/00 -0700, Sellam Ismail wrote: >Stupid e-mail software. Didn't mean to send that message yet. > >Anyway, any ideas for Core War would be appreciated. > >Also, I guess it's time to start thinking of planning for VCF 4.0. I'd >like to >try to coincide the event this year with the Classic Arcade Game show >(what's it called?) Who has the contact info for the producer of that >event? I figure by banding together we can more easily secure a space >at the SCCC to host the event, share the rental costs of the space, and >also share our attendees, perhaps by having a single pass that let's you >into both events. > >I'd also like to try to do the time capsule this year, but I'm afraid that >would be a full-time task that one person would have to dedicate their >time to. Finding a city to host/sponsor it would be the biggest challenge. > I was thinking it would be cool to coincide with the "millennium" but >since 2001 is the true Millennium we could just wait till next year :) > > >Sellam International Man of Intrigue and >Danger >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany > VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) > VCF East: Planning in Progress > See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun Apr 23 12:35:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18076 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:51:29 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24454 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 18:51:50 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24452 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 18:51:49 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 18:51:49 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000423185149.YJDC12856.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:51:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3903456F.86C0FF0E@home.com> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:48:15 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl Subject: Some things References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P74CA0.CNM Hi guys, Not many of one may have noticed, but there was a beautiful EAI analog computer system for bid on eBay this week. A desktop system from maybe the late 60s or early 70s, it was complete with a stack of manuals, a EAI O-scope display unit, and a EAI plotter. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310050126 Dwight made a great effort to bring this computer to the Bay Area, but was out bid by a gentleman from LA named Dan Slater. Dan Slater is a deep pocket that has been sucking up all of the YOUNG analogs and most of the old analog documentation that has come up for bid in the last 6 months. I want to send my condolences to Dwight and to thank him for his great effort. Thanks Dwight. This evening I'm going for a Philbrick model K3-C "Coefficient Component", my first K3 unit. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=312179760 It should be pretty safe, it requires a + and - 300 VDC power supply. Just last week I finished running up on the Variac my Philbrick R-100B +/- 300 volt supply. My DVM says that each side is putting out 297 volts. The big question is how can I tell if my DVM is correct so I can adjust the outputs to exactly 300 volts? On a off topic note, I just receive 50 24"x36" drawings from the Smithsonian covering every nut, bolt, wire, turnbuckle, connecting rod, rib, spar and pin of the Wright brothers 1903 Flyer. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sun Apr 23 12:35:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18092 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:05:34 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24533 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 19:05:56 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24531 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 19:05:55 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 19:05:55 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11643 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:59:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:59:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl Subject: Re: Some things In-Reply-To: <3903456F.86C0FF0E@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P376E0.CNM On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > Dwight made a great effort to bring this computer to the Bay Area, > but was out bid by a gentleman from LA named Dan Slater. Dan Slater > is a deep pocket that has been sucking up all of the YOUNG analogs > and most of the old analog documentation that has come up for bid > in the last 6 months. The good news is that this guy appears to be actually using the analog computers for something interesting: http://www.nearfield.com/~dan/ -- Doug From ???@??? Sun Apr 23 12:37:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18100 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:11:47 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24576 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 19:12:09 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24574 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 19:12:08 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail003.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 19:12:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 23015 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2000 19:12:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.166.158]) (envelope-sender ) by mail003.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2000 19:12:07 -0000 Message-ID: <39034B0D.B9E46EC7@jps.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:12:44 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: Some things References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P75B80.CNM Gee, wich I had some cool way to write off my collection as a business expense and not have to sell them in the process! I'll have to think on this one... ;) Doug Salot wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > > > Dwight made a great effort to bring this computer to the Bay Area, > > but was out bid by a gentleman from LA named Dan Slater. Dan Slater > > is a deep pocket that has been sucking up all of the YOUNG analogs > > and most of the old analog documentation that has come up for bid > > in the last 6 months. > > The good news is that this guy appears to be actually using the analog > computers for something interesting: > http://www.nearfield.com/~dan/ > > -- Doug -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sun Apr 23 23:31:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18128 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:37:19 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24673 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 19:37:39 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24671 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 19:37:39 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18124 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:37:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200004231837.LAA18124@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:37:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Some things Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <39034B0D.B9E46EC7@jps.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1AD20.CNM On 23 Apr 00, at 12:12, Larry Anderson wrote: > Gee, wich I had some cool way to write off my collection as a business > expense and not have to sell them in the process! I'll have to think on > this one... ;) What do you think the Vintage Computer Festival is? You think I lose $10,000 a year on it because I like to? ;) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 08:12:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA18593 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:30:05 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 26496 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 08:30:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26493 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 08:30:26 -0000 Received: from uxl.longs.com (199.108.9.10) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 08:30:26 -0000 Received: from RSINASOHN.ricochet.net ([10.24.52.126]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA2FAC; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:29:51 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000424005543.00ad4140@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:17:36 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Uncle Roger Subject: 3 minutes out of 15... Cc: "Chris B. Scott" , unclebrad@aol.com, cgrilley@slip.net, herman@sinasohn.com, dmsevery@concentric.net, scunner@earthlink.net, auntierae@california.com, balcutha@yahoo.com, balcutha@california.com, johnprice@california.com, dianeprice@california.com, seachild@ix.netcom.com, fluteoftheroom@juno.com, kip@nanospace.com, wlorente@marinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P5C8D0.CNM Check out Digital West, a technology show on KQED Channel 9 (out of San Francisco) next Friday night (4/28/00) at 9pm (and rebroadcast at 5:30pm on Sunday, 4/30/00). The show is about whether or not older computers are truly obsolete. The website for the show is . It will also start out with a short segment profiling one of the neatest guys you'll ever meet, me. 8^) (See for info on what it will be about.) And in advance, please not that the storage area is currently in disarray because of the construction going on, and will be taken care of soon (possibly moving to a dedicated museum area beneath the house if I can dig up the money (so to speak) to dig it out. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 08:14:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA18587 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:30:00 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 26471 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 08:30:23 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26469 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from uxl.longs.com (199.108.9.10) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 08:30:22 -0000 Received: from RSINASOHN.ricochet.net ([10.24.52.126]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAB2FAC for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:29:52 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000424011918.0177f990@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:21:54 -0700 To: baccl From: Uncle Roger Subject: VCF 4.0 In-Reply-To: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P1A920.CNM >Also, I guess it's time to start thinking of planning for VCF 4.0. I'd >like to What if we set up a bunch of vintage machines of varying sorts and connected them to the internet? I'd love to surf the web on an Osborne 1 (and it would be a hell of a media draw!) P.S., The guys from Digital West said they'll be there. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 08:22:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA18940 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:14:20 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 27513 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 15:14:43 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 27511 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 15:14:42 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 15:14:42 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18935 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:14:09 -0700 Message-Id: <200004241414.HAA18935@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:14:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: VCF 4.0 Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.0.20000424011918.0177f990@pop.ricochet.net> References: <200004221559.IAA16653@siconic.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1AE10.CNM On 24 Apr 00, at 1:21, Uncle Roger wrote: > What if we set up a bunch of vintage machines of varying sorts and > connected them to the internet? I'd love to surf the web on an Osborne 1 > (and it would be a hell of a media draw!) That's actually a really cool idea. I can set up a linux server with 16 serial ports, we can string serial cable throughout the exhibit area, and then I can feed the internet into the server via a Ricochet modem. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:05:29 2000 From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:05:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19173 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:30 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28322 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:28:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28320 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:28:54 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:28:54 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08768; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06522; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14673; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004242028.NAA14673@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Cc: dastar@siconic.com Subject: Re[2]: Dang it In-Reply-To: <200004230050.RAA17154@siconic.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P38270.CNM "Sellam Ismail" wrote: > On 22 Apr 00, at 23:03, Eric Smith wrote: > > > California Extreme? > > Yes. > Hi It is California Extreme. You can get in contact through Dale Luck as Eric says or: http://www.caextreme.org/ Although, many aspects of these two overlap, there are parts that are completely different. I consider many late 70's and on type pins to just be antique computers. The people that play pins are just about a diverse a group as you'd find leaving church on Sundays. If you were to make the connection of repairing and maintaining these solid state pins with old computer repair, that would be great. Even old EM machines were computing marvels. I don't think you would be overlapping with more than about 15% of those that go to California Extreme. I think there is a place in VCF for Pins and Vids but I don't think there is a general overlap of people going to both. IMHO Dwight Sorry for only mentioning Vids once but I'm really a Pins type person. Vids have computers in them as well. I'm sure someone looks at these things ;) From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:06:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19180 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:30:17 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28357 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:30:43 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28355 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:30:42 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:30:42 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 2833 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:30:41 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:30:41 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000424133504.0420ed60@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@mailhost.hq.freegate.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:35:33 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: pictures of the PDP-5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P35D70.CNM are available at: http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/pdp-5.html Enjoy, --chuck From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:08:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19184 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:31:42 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28387 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:32:07 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28385 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:32:06 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:32:06 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 2879 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 20:32:05 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 20:32:05 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:36:57 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: pictures of the PDP-5 In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000424133504.0420ed60@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P72370.CNM Whoops, that should be: http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/pdp5.html --Chuck From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:09:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA19293 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:57:42 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28628 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 21:58:07 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28626 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 21:58:06 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 21:58:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 32601 invoked by uid 342); 24 Apr 2000 21:58:52 -0000 Date: 24 Apr 2000 21:58:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424215852.32600.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> (message from Chuck McManis on Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:36:57 -0700) Subject: Re: pictures of the PDP-5 References: <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Status: X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P59610.CNM > http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/pdp5.html Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Minor nitpick about the description: DEC used -15V logic, in the same sense that TTL is called 5V logic. From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:10:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19312 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:17:18 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28721 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 22:17:43 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28719 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 22:17:42 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 22:17:42 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 5855 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 22:17:41 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 22:17:41 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000424152110.0445ce20@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:22:33 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: pictures of the PDP-5 In-Reply-To: <20000424215852.32600.qmail@brouhaha.com> References: <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5BA90.CNM At 09:58 PM 4/24/00 +0000, Eric Smith wrote: >Minor nitpick about the description: DEC used -15V logic, in the >same sense that TTL is called 5V logic. The service manual states that the -15v supply powers the logic and that logic 1 is represented by -3v and logic 0 by 0v. So you tell me, is that -15v logic or -3v logic? --Chuck From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:15:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19367 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:35:00 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 28936 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 23:35:24 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 28934 invoked by alias); 24 Apr 2000 23:35:23 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2000 23:35:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 3255 invoked by uid 342); 24 Apr 2000 23:36:04 -0000 Date: 24 Apr 2000 23:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424233604.3254.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: <4.1.20000424152110.0445ce20@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> (message from Chuck McManis on Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:22:33 -0700) Subject: Re: pictures of the PDP-5 References: <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> <4.1.20000424133615.00be6820@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> <4.1.20000424152110.0445ce20@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P724D0.CNM I wrote: > Minor nitpick about the description: DEC used -15V logic, in the > same sense that TTL is called 5V logic. Chuck wrote: > The service manual states that the -15v supply powers the logic and that > logic 1 is represented by -3v and logic 0 by 0v. So you tell me, is that > -15v logic or -3v logic? Do you call TTL "2.4V logic"? Or "2.0V logic"? Do you specify it by the Voh rating or the Vih rating? Why not specify it by the Vol or Vil rating, and call it "0.4V logic" or "0.8V logic"? Or by the *typical* high level, and call it "3V logic"? Everyone I know calls TTL "5V logic", since that's the one voltage in a TTL system that is supposed to be the same everywhere (to within +/- 10%). Despite that, the only time that logic levels in a TTL circuit are at 5V is when they are tied directly to a supply rail or otherwise driven by something other than a TTL output. Anyhow, as I said it was only a *minor* nitpick. What modules are used in the PDP-5 to drive the front panel indicators? Are the bulbs DEC #12-09169 (T-1 3/4, bi-pin base)? Cheers, Eric From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:19:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19415 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:49:58 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 29117 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2000 00:50:21 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 29115 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2000 00:50:20 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 00:50:20 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13955 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11587 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:50:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17973 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004250050.RAA17973@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:50:08 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: Some things In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6D490.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > > > Dwight made a great effort to bring this computer to the Bay Area, > > but was out bid by a gentleman from LA named Dan Slater. Dan Slater > > is a deep pocket that has been sucking up all of the YOUNG analogs > > and most of the old analog documentation that has come up for bid > > in the last 6 months. > > The good news is that this guy appears to be actually using the analog > computers for something interesting: > http://www.nearfield.com/~dan/ > > -- Doug Hi There is one thing I don't understand. My top bid was 2350.00, he won the bid at 2500.00. This is way over the minimum bid. Has something in the rules changed? Maybe it goes to the reserve price if the bid isn't propped up by another and at least the reserve price. Anyway, I would truly have liked to had that setup. One could demonstrate the bouncing ball on the scope and plotted it as well. Actually I am set up to do both if I ever get around to it. I have a nice HP XY plotter. I have an oscilloscope with XY inputs. I went over the amount I truly should have bid and I'm somewhat glad I didn't take it. It was a real nice machine though. Maybe next time. Dwight From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:20:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19440 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:03:04 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 29184 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2000 01:03:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 29182 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2000 01:03:26 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 01:03:26 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14216; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16720; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18160; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004250103.SAA18160@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:03:25 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Cc: donm@cts.com Subject: My NIC-80 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P21790.CNM Hi All I'm making progess with the floppy controller on my machine. Despite the fact that no one has even heard of a SA900, I've got it to the point that I can step out tracks and I'm about ready to try to figure out the read and write. I'm fairly sure it has something to do with bit 8 in the LTRACK command but without actually doing it, I'm just guessing. I've traced parts of the controllers circuits but it is four boards with about 30 IC's on each. For stepping in, the only thing I seem to be able to do is RECAL. Maybe this is all it can do. Some of these TTL based controllers are kind of crude. I thought I was going to have to do major surgery on the drive because one of the bearings on the stepper motor was frozen up with old grease. I was able to dent the metal shield on the side of the bearing enough to let a little oil into the bearing. After a few hours it was enough to soften the gease and things seem to work well now. The amount I tweaked the shields shouldn't have too great an effect on dirt entering the bearings but eventually ( maybe after I die ) someone will have to disassemble the thing and replace the bearings. My thanks to Don Maslin who found me some 32 sectored disk. Dwight. From ???@??? Mon Apr 24 21:21:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19450 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:11:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 29228 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2000 01:12:22 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 29226 invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2000 01:12:21 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2000 01:12:21 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14459 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:05:49 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Some things In-Reply-To: <200004250050.RAA17973@civic.hal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5DE30.CNM On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Dwight Elvey wrote: > Maybe it goes to the reserve price if the bid isn't > propped up by another and at least the reserve price. Yes, that's the nasty reserve trap door. Anytime your bid exceeds the seller's reserve, your bid is set to at least the reserve price. -- Doug From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:11:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA21218 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:48:35 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 5144 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 15:49:05 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5142 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 15:49:04 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2000 15:49:04 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000426154904.DZM12856.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:49:04 -0700 Message-ID: <39070F0F.6ADC1B82@home.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:45:19 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: My NIC-80 References: <200004250103.SAA18160@civic.hal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5BEB0.CNM Dwight Elvey wrote: > My thanks to Don Maslin who found me some 32 sectored > disk. Dwight, you just asked if I'd ever heard of a SA900, you never asked if I had boxes and boxes of 8" 32 sector hard sector diskettes still shrinkwrapped. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:13:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21332 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:34:03 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 5845 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 19:34:32 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5843 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 19:34:32 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2000 19:34:32 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17789 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23572 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27306 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004261934.MAA27306@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:34:26 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: My NIC-80 In-Reply-To: <39070F0F.6ADC1B82@home.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1A250.CNM Doug Coward wrote: > Dwight Elvey wrote: > > My thanks to Don Maslin who found me some 32 sectored > > disk. > > Dwight, you just asked if I'd ever heard of a SA900, you never asked > if I had boxes and boxes of 8" 32 sector hard sector diskettes > still shrinkwrapped. Hi Doug Guess I should have asked. I made some un-progress last night. I still don't understand how to write to the floppies. Parts don't make sense but I'm sure I'll eventually figure it out. There are only three addresses recognized by the controller. One specifies the track/sector/recal/writemode/drive. This I've figured out. One is a status register. It only has 3 bits. One I'm sure is the head load status, one I think is an on sector status and the other I haven't seen change. That leaves only one port for read and write. Now, you have to remember that the NIC-80 has no write strobe or read/write signal. Both input and output operations can take place at the same time. If done right, you can write out and read another back without overlapping. There is a signal generated by the I/O device called SKIP. This is used to make "wait for ready" loops. It causes the processor to skip the next instruction when active. I'm almost positive this is used for reading the floppy. You'd do something like: ReadWord: ReadFlop-Skip JMP ReadWord Code-to-write-to-memory It is possible this is also the method to write but I'm not sure yet. I guess I'll have to do a little more circuit tracing on the controller. It'd sure have been great if they'd used one of the controller chips or even if I could locate the pin out for the SA-900. I'll keep poking at it, I'm sure I'll come up with something. I have it so I can quickly generate test code on my PC and, using the tape "NICOLOADEN" that I got from Sellam, move it to memory. I have the sequence all automated. Maybe I don't understand the status bits right. It might also have something to do with the other status bit that I've not seen response to. It could also, horror of horrors, be that there is a broken part. Sorry I'm so wordy. I just needed to bounce it around a little. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:14:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA21405 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:55:58 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 6180 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 21:56:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6178 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 21:56:27 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2000 21:56:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 16924 invoked by uid 342); 26 Apr 2000 21:56:47 -0000 Date: 26 Apr 2000 21:56:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000426215647.16923.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: <390686BE.78A02D2B@home.com> (message from Doug Coward on Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:03:42 -0700) Subject: Re: Some things References: <390686BE.78A02D2B@home.com> Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P29860.CNM Doug Coward wrote: > Just about all of the data books they had, are gone. If anyone needs data that would have been in those books, contact me. Al Kossow rescued them. I should have a list of them online eventually. > They loss their lease and couldn't find > any other place they could afford. The landlord reportedly told them that he'd found a new tenant willing to pay twice as much per square foot. He didn't even try to raise the rate for them. Though I'm not sure they would have paid it anyhow. > And what happened to Surplus Stuff in Milpitas? I went by there and it > was not open and the sign was gone. Bobby and Ivan headed for the hills, ostensibly to survive the Y2K civilization collapse. However, apparently they left behind about $1M in unpaid rent. > And does anyone know if RA Enterprise actually closed their doors? Not yet. Soon, I think. From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:14:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21979 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:20:36 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9402 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 20:21:08 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9400 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 20:21:07 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 20:21:07 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 2174 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 20:21:21 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 20:21:21 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:25:54 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Silent 700's Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3AA70.CNM I just picked up about 30 Silent 700 terminals, some working, some hulks, a variety of models. I'm pretty sure I have at least one of the bubble memory ones. I'm going to sort them into working/non-working piles and see if I can't ebay a few to get my investment back. Of course, if anyone here was thinking about one, let me know and for some paltry sum like $5.00 or a Q-bus board in trade, I'll let you have one. I want to keep at least one bubble one if I have it, and I know Sellam wants one of those (which you get for free Sellam in exchange for the tape drive one :-) It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. --Chuck From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:14:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22023 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:38:18 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9718 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:38:51 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9714 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0000 Received: from adsl-216-103-73-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO bender.ndx.net) (216.103.73.138) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0000 Received: (from kdavis@localhost) by bender.ndx.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) id NAA28535; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:34:28 -0700 From: Kirk Davis Message-Id: <200004272034.NAA28535@bender.ndx.net> Subject: RARE! Silent 700's L@@K!! To: cmcmanis@mcmanis.com (Chuck McManis) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: doug@blinkenlights.com (Doug Salot), baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000427142104.040ced40@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> from "Chuck McManis" at Apr 27, 2000 02:23:10 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2F530.CNM > > Not well positioned. There are of course several models of 700 and I think > all of the ones I got have _both_ the modem and the EIA serial port. Makes > them more useful. They are mostly 745/765/785 models which were used by a > real estate company. > Yeah well it's all in the marketing :-) You can talk to John (the guy with all the older DEC stuff) about that.. Kirk From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:15:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21992 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:59:59 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9535 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:00:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9533 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25444 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16398 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA20463 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004272100.OAA20463@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P71FF0.CNM Chuck McManis wrote: > I just picked up about 30 Silent 700 terminals, some working, some hulks, a > variety of models. I'm pretty sure I have at least one of the bubble memory > ones. I'm going to sort them into working/non-working piles and see if I > can't ebay a few to get my investment back. Of course, if anyone here was > thinking about one, let me know and for some paltry sum like $5.00 or a > Q-bus board in trade, I'll let you have one. I want to keep at least one > bubble one if I have it, and I know Sellam wants one of those (which you > get for free Sellam in exchange for the tape drive one :-) > > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. > --Chuck Hi Chuck They don't get too excited on eBay, check: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=313492623 I'd be interested in one. From what Sellam says, it looks like they used these with the NIC-80's. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:15:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22003 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:08:58 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9576 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:09:32 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9574 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:09:30 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 21:09:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21806 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:03:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:03:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P67050.CNM On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. I picked up an early 700 model on eBay for $10. They're not hot sellers. Was this an SRI score? Anything more interesting? -- Doug From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:15:36 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22053 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:22:54 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9924 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:23:26 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9922 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:23:26 -0000 Received: from adsl-216-103-73-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO bender.ndx.net) (216.103.73.138) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 22:23:26 -0000 Received: (from kdavis@localhost) by bender.ndx.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) id OAA28709; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:19:03 -0700 From: Kirk Davis Message-Id: <200004272119.OAA28709@bender.ndx.net> Subject: Re: Silent 700's To: pluto@Super70s.com (Sean Mondout) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:19:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-Reply-To: from "Sean Mondout" at Apr 27, 2000 03:08:38 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0D410.CNM Wasn't the prototype for one of these captured on a german uboat in 1944? > > Also, don't forget to mention that these were the forerunners to the Altair > 8800. That BillG wrote his first program on one. That Wozniak used spare > parts from one to make the Apple I prototype. That Tim Berners-Lee invented > the web... > Actually, I've seen bigger fabrications than these on eBay. Very effective. > Good luck. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:51 PM > To: cmcmanis@mcmanis.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: Silent 700's > > > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. > > List them one-at-a-time, and don't even hint that you have more of them. > From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:15:55 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22009 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:17:52 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9642 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:18:25 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9640 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:18:24 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 21:18:24 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 4025 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:18:31 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 21:18:31 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000427142104.040ced40@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:23:10 -0700 To: Doug Salot , baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2F6F0.CNM At 05:03 PM 4/27/00 -0400, Doug Salot wrote: >I picked up an early 700 model on eBay for $10. They're not hot sellers. Not well positioned. There are of course several models of 700 and I think all of the ones I got have _both_ the modem and the EIA serial port. Makes them more useful. They are mostly 745/765/785 models which were used by a real estate company. >Was this an SRI score? Anything more interesting? Nope, it was a Berman thing. SRI comes up a bit later, no word yet on the date. --Chuck From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:16:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA22031 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:50:07 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9778 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:50:40 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9776 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 21:50:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 24294 invoked by uid 342); 27 Apr 2000 21:50:45 -0000 Date: 27 Apr 2000 21:50:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000427215045.24293.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: cmcmanis@mcmanis.com CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> (message from Chuck McManis on Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:25:54 -0700) Subject: Re: Silent 700's References: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P21EF0.CNM > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. List them one-at-a-time, and don't even hint that you have more of them. From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:16:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22045 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:04:49 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9855 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:05:23 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9853 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:05:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.intermedia.net (206.40.48.151) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 22:05:22 -0000 Received: from sagan (unverified [198.68.194.130]) by mail1.intermedia.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:05:17 -0700 From: "Sean Mondout" To: Subject: RE: Silent 700's Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:08:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <20000427215045.24293.qmail@brouhaha.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P66F30.CNM Also, don't forget to mention that these were the forerunners to the Altair 8800. That BillG wrote his first program on one. That Wozniak used spare parts from one to make the Apple I prototype. That Tim Berners-Lee invented the web... Actually, I've seen bigger fabrications than these on eBay. Very effective. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:51 PM To: cmcmanis@mcmanis.com Cc: Subject: Re: Silent 700's > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. List them one-at-a-time, and don't even hint that you have more of them. From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:16:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22066 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:34:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 10043 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:35:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10041 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:35:30 -0000 Received: from mail1.intermedia.net (206.40.48.151) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 22:35:30 -0000 Received: from sagan (unverified [198.68.194.130]) by mail1.intermedia.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.6) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:35:29 -0700 From: "Sean Mondout" To: Subject: RE: Silent 700's Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:38:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P21CF0.CNM Actually, the original prototype is being held against its will in Area 51 after being seized by the INS from an illegal alien spacecraft at Roswell, but I'm sure you already knew that. -----Original Message----- From: Kirk Davis [mailto:kdavis@bender.ndx.net] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:19 PM To: Sean Mondout Cc: Subject: Re: Silent 700's Wasn't the prototype for one of these captured on a german uboat in 1944? > > Also, don't forget to mention that these were the forerunners to the Altair > 8800. That BillG wrote his first program on one. That Wozniak used spare > parts from one to make the Apple I prototype. That Tim Berners-Lee invented > the web... > Actually, I've seen bigger fabrications than these on eBay. Very effective. > Good luck. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Smith [mailto:eric@brouhaha.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 2:51 PM > To: cmcmanis@mcmanis.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: Silent 700's > > > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. > > List them one-at-a-time, and don't even hint that you have more of them. > From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:16:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA22062 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:33:55 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 10004 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:34:28 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 10002 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:34:23 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 22:34:23 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 6084 invoked by alias); 27 Apr 2000 22:34:14 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 27 Apr 2000 22:34:14 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000427153302.044cdc30@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:39:04 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: RE: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: References: <20000427215045.24293.qmail@brouhaha.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1EDC0.CNM At 03:08 PM 4/27/00 -0700, Sean wrote: >Also, don't forget to mention that these were the forerunners to the Altair >8800. That BillG wrote his first program on one. That Wozniak used spare >parts from one to make the Apple I prototype. That Tim Berners-Lee invented >the web... >Actually, I've seen bigger fabrications than these on eBay. Very effective. >Good luck. Always a good strategy. The one older one has current loop interface so I could play up the PDP-8/Altair serial port compatible :-) Since they were from a real estate company perhaps I could say "Was probably inside Steve Job's house before he owned it!" :-) I've been going through them and so far have two mostly known good (can't check the modem) bubble ones, and one bubble one that fails its power on self test. So I opened it up to get a peek at the bubble modules. They are really cool using TI bubble chips. And they are plug in modules, apparently the unit supports up to four so perhaps these will find there way into the good ones if I can figure out how to jumper them. Perhaps just the bubble modules would do well on ebay, Sellam did that for a while out of his Intel stash. Anyway, these are fun beasts at the moment. I'm pretty sure I'll have one for everyone who has asked for one. More later... --Chuck From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:24:46 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22645 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:23:52 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 12970 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:24:26 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12968 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:24:25 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 17:24:25 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22641 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:23:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DASTAR COM To: baccl Subject: Re: Some things In-Reply-To: <390686BE.78A02D2B@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P534F0.CNM On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > > http://www.nearfield.com/~dan/ > > Well, Dwight is no slouch. And I...well I do the best I can, I'm still > just learning. :) He does some pretty cool stuff. And he does have a link to your museum from his analog computer page. > In other news, if you don't know yet, Haltek Electronics' last day is > Saturday April 29th. That's when they will have their Mega Sale. I That kinda sucks. I must may I didn't have much occasion to go out there with any regularity so it's not a huge loss for me but it sucks nonetheless. > And what happened to Surplus Stuff in Milpitas? I went by there and it > was not open and the sign was gone. Gone. I went by there several weeks ago and it was OOB. I guess the new guy couldn't hack it. I'm at Hans' pad just checking in. We're setting up for VCF tonight. The event should go well. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:25:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22663 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:08 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13041 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:37:44 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13039 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:37:43 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 17:37:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22659 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:02 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: Some things In-Reply-To: <20000426215647.16923.qmail@brouhaha.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P22F70.CNM On 26 Apr 2000, Eric Smith wrote: > Bobby and Ivan headed for the hills, ostensibly to survive the Y2K > civilization collapse. However, apparently they left behind about > $1M in unpaid rent. One of their employees bought the place (I think he bought it...at any rate he was running it). I'm assuming he just couldn't run the business and folded it. On the bright side, I did win my bet with Bobby. The details were that if his prediction of a y2k disaster materialized I would come find him at his backwoods Oregon secret hideout and hunt down and kill a deer for him (and eat some). If, on the other hand, my prediction that nothing would happen and the world would go on became true, he would buy me a veggie burger at the Chili's around the corner. I'm still waiting for his call :) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:25:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22674 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:41:25 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13078 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:42:00 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13076 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:41:59 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 17:41:59 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22669; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:41:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:41:15 -0700 (PDT) From: DASTAR COM To: Chuck McManis cc: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000427132120.0435f390@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6C290.CNM On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > I just picked up about 30 Silent 700 terminals, some working, some hulks, a > variety of models. I'm pretty sure I have at least one of the bubble memory > ones. I'm going to sort them into working/non-working piles and see if I > can't ebay a few to get my investment back. Of course, if anyone here was > thinking about one, let me know and for some paltry sum like $5.00 or a > Q-bus board in trade, I'll let you have one. I want to keep at least one > bubble one if I have it, and I know Sellam wants one of those (which you > get for free Sellam in exchange for the tape drive one :-) COOL!! The model you want to look for is 765. Amazingly, Hans has a 765 in his collection. I was looking through his collection and spotted it, checked the model number and lo and behold it was a 765. We cracked it open and found two bubble memory modules as well as a TI 9980, and also an 8080. We assumed the 8080 was for the terminal and the TI 9980 was for the underlying computer (that does all the filesystem stuff). > It will be interesting to see how e-bay reacts to these. It'll be interesting. I once got $30 for one so you should get anywhere from $20 to who knows what for each. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:25:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22683 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:45:58 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13127 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:46:34 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13125 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 17:46:33 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 17:46:33 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22678; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:45:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: DASTAR COM To: Chuck McManis cc: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: RE: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000427153302.044cdc30@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4CA60.CNM On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > Perhaps just the bubble modules would do well on ebay, Sellam did that > for a while out of his Intel stash. Anyway, these are fun beasts at > the moment. I'm pretty sure I'll have one for everyone who has asked > for one. More later... I was getting anywhere from $20 to $50 for each module, and I believe I sold 4 before people got sick of them and they weren't being bid on anymore. Not bad for a box of 99 that I only paid $10 for :) What's special about the 785 model? I've never heard of it. Maybe it's the one with the ability to have 4 bubble mems? Or it comes equipped with 4? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:26:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22768 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:36:36 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13300 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 18:37:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13298 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 18:37:10 -0000 Received: from phoenix.retronet.net (HELO loomcom.com) (216.112.97.80) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 18:37:10 -0000 Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02775 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:37:05 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:37:05 -0700 From: sjm To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's Message-ID: <20000428113705.A2693@loomcom.com> References: <4.1.20000427153302.044cdc30@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us In-Reply-To: ; from dastar@siconic.com on Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 09:45:51AM -0700 Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P40560.CNM [Hi folks -- yes, I'm back. It's a long story, not terribly interesting, involving being overworked, burning out, resigning from my job, and loafing around the country for a few months, with little pockets of being online here and there. By the way, Chuck, thanks VERY much for taking over BACCL when you did, I'm awfully sorry for letting it die on my system. When I saw you'd set up a list on your system, I was much relieved. The little 486 that hosted it originally here bit the big one, along with the MicroVAX I was going to replace it with. I still have the data if anyone wants a copy of the "archive"] Speaking of Silent 700s, I've got a Silent 700 model 745 here, the kind that does upper/lower case, with the accoustic coupler modem and a 15-pin D-sub connector on the back. Does anyone have any documentation anywhere explaining what the pinout of the D-sub is? Is it serial? current loop? I'd love to use it as a terminal on my Linux box, but I don't know how to make the cable yet. Grah. By the way, it works quite nicely for dialling Tymnet, which for some unknown reason is still humming along quite happily. (www.tymnet.com if you want to find local 300/1200 baud dialups) -Seth On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 09:45:51AM -0700, DASTAR COM wrote: > On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > > > Perhaps just the bubble modules would do well on ebay, Sellam did that > > for a while out of his Intel stash. Anyway, these are fun beasts at > > the moment. I'm pretty sure I'll have one for everyone who has asked > > for one. More later... > > I was getting anywhere from $20 to $50 for each module, and I believe I > sold 4 before people got sick of them and they weren't being bid on > anymore. Not bad for a box of 99 that I only paid $10 for :) > > What's special about the 785 model? I've never heard of it. Maybe it's > the one with the ability to have 4 bubble mems? Or it comes equipped with > 4? From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:26:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22772 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:37:13 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13332 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 18:37:49 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13330 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 18:37:46 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 18:37:46 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 28714 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 18:37:44 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 18:37:44 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000428113059.03ce3310@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:42:33 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: More on Silent 700's In-Reply-To: References: <4.1.20000427153302.044cdc30@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4D590.CNM At 09:45 AM 4/28/00 -0700, DASTAR COM wrote: >I was getting anywhere from $20 to $50 for each module, and I believe I >sold 4 before people got sick of them and they weren't being bid on >anymore. Not bad for a box of 99 that I only paid $10 for :) That would be nice, there were a couple of extremely dead 765's (had been scavenged for parts) and one had four bubble modules in it, so it looks like I'll have extra modules. Apparently the big deal is that the print heads eventually die and then they need to be replaced. It appears to be easy to replace them but more than half of the 700's I picked up had no print heads. It looks like between 8 and 10 are functional. I was extremely pleased to find that the printing subsystem in the 707 was in great shape because I can use it to replace the one in my 733 and turn it into a really nice unit. I pulled the 9980s and 8080s from their sockets for later. However, in an interesting twist I now have a R@RE! collection of three 8080s, one from AMD, one from TI and one from Intel. I hadn't realized that TI was licensed to make the 8080. (And clearly they later switched to using AMD's parts). I _really_ need to get the 733 cleaned up and then I can put up a web page with a lot of interesting pictures and data about Silent 700's that I certainly didn't know and wasn't available yet. >What's special about the 785 model? I've never heard of it. Maybe it's >the one with the ability to have 4 bubble mems? Or it comes equipped with >4? The 785 and 787 (no modem) have more features, real upper/lower case, and baud rates up to 19,200 although I don't know how they would print that fast. (but they do print really fast). There was also something that looks like a prototype 890 or something that had two ports. It isn't complete so I don't know what the deal is/was with that. --Chuck PS Sellam, ask hans if he has any information on the 765. In particular I would like to know the commands for recording into a bubble, testing the bubbles, showing how much memory etc. If you have access to a FAX my e-fax number is (413) 771-0516 From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:27:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22783 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:00:16 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13439 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:00:52 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13437 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 19:00:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23860 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:54:31 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <20000428113705.A2693@loomcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P08830.CNM On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, sjm wrote: > [Hi folks -- yes, I'm back. It's a long story, not terribly > interesting, involving being overworked, burning out, resigning > from my job, and loafing around the country for a few months, with > little pockets of being online here and there. Hey, welcome back! I, for one, want to hear the story! I've been planning to launch a website that targets burnt-out net-addicts like us (www.GetHuman.com), but I've been too burnt-out to develop it.... -- Doug From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:31:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22798 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:05:20 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13514 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:05:55 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13512 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:05:54 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 19:05:54 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12563 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <20000428113705.A2693@loomcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P331B0.CNM > Speaking of Silent 700s, I've got a Silent 700 model 745 here, the > kind that does upper/lower case, with the accoustic coupler modem > and a 15-pin D-sub connector on the back. Does anyone have any > documentation anywhere explaining what the pinout of the D-sub is? > Is it serial? current loop? I'd love to use it as a terminal on > my Linux box, but I don't know how to make the cable yet. Grah. The one that I used to use had a jumper inside. One position of the jumper kept the terminal connected to the modem. The other position (that I used) disconnected the terminal from the modem, and provided RS232 compatible signals to the 15 pin from both the terminal AND the modem. Thus, I used the modem with a TRS-80, and used the terminal as a printer with the TRS-80, and occasionally externally looped them to use the modem with the terminal. The TRS80 and The Source materials are recently gone; that 700 is gone, and I can't find the Technical Reference Manual, the cables, or the other 700s. So, I can't provide any useful information other than that it CAN be done. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin@xenosoft.com From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:31:29 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22787 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:00:34 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13466 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:01:09 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13463 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:01:08 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 19:01:08 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 29670 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:01:05 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 19:01:05 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000428115852.03d17b40@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:05:54 -0700 To: sjm , baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <20000428113705.A2693@loomcom.com> References: <4.1.20000427153302.044cdc30@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P19E60.CNM At 11:37 AM 4/28/00 -0700, sjm wrote: >[Hi folks -- yes, I'm back. Welcome back Seth! >thanks VERY much for taking over BACCL when you did It has been an interesting test of the FreeGate system. It doesn't have the ability to for replies to the list or filter our non-list members from posting (I've filed enhancement requests in the FreeGate database however!) As long as the DSL line can handle it I'm not worried about it. >I was going to replace it with. I still have the data if anyone >wants a copy of the "archive"] It would be nice to get the last list of subscribers. I think several people got dropped and are wandering around wondering where we went. >Speaking of Silent 700s, I've got a Silent 700 model 745 here, the >kind that does upper/lower case, with the accoustic coupler modem >and a 15-pin D-sub connector on the back. Does it do "true" upper/lower case or "big caps and little caps" :-) > Does anyone have any > documentation anywhere explaining what the pinout of the D-sub is? Me too please! >Is it serial? current loop? I'd love to use it as a terminal on >my Linux box, but I don't know how to make the cable yet. Grah. Since I've got a couple of "dead" ones now I can probably trace it out. They use the TI5504 UART (also used in the Cromemco TU/ART board) >By the way, it works quite nicely for dialling Tymnet, which >for some unknown reason is still humming along quite happily. >(www.tymnet.com if you want to find local 300/1200 baud dialups) Yeah, and even stranger the old Tymenet hacking stuff still seems to work, so maybe Tymenet was secretly bought by old tyme hackers who got rich using their dial out modems to infiltrate bbs' around the world. --Chuck From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:36:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22806 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 11:29:51 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13610 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:30:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13608 invoked by alias); 28 Apr 2000 19:30:26 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 28 Apr 2000 19:30:26 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13136 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04341 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:30:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09595 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004281930.MAA09595@civic.hal.com> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: More on Silent 700's In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000428113059.03ce3310@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3CE10.CNM Chuck McManis wrote: > > PS Sellam, ask hans if he has any information on the 765. In particular I > would like to know the commands for recording into a bubble, testing the > bubbles, showing how much memory etc. If you have access to a FAX my e-fax > number is (413) 771-0516 Hi Chuck If you followed the eBay listing that I posted, you would have seen that there were quite a few manuals that came with the one he had. Since it didn't sell, I'm sure he is still interested in selling it ( like you really need another ). I think the biggest issue is the shipping ( that's what stopped my bid ). Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:37:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22981 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:31:56 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 14712 invoked by alias); 29 Apr 2000 02:32:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 14710 invoked by alias); 29 Apr 2000 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 29 Apr 2000 02:32:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24535 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:25:02 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:25:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: IBM 705 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5E9A0.CNM OK, who's gonna take this baby home? I'm willing to pitch in a few bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=318882085 -- Doug From ???@??? 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Includes documentation and disks. For more info email: cchris@wenet.net From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:40:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24263 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:14:45 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20382 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 21:15:27 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20380 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 21:15:26 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 21:15:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27014 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:09:12 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: AIBO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P03400.CNM I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I bought an AIBO and it arrived yesterday. Anybody else have one? Pretty damn cool, but I wish it had a bidirectional wireless communication interface to a PC. I'd love to monitor its senses and mess with its mind. -- Doug From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:43:20 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24291 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:10:14 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20506 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 22:10:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20504 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 22:10:54 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail020.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 22:10:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 8751 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2000 22:10:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.149.52]) (envelope-sender ) by mail020.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2000 22:10:45 -0000 Message-ID: <390CAF61.501BFFF3@jps.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:11:11 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: AIBO References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P441F0.CNM Hey, I know this guy... Mike Kan is his name, I bet he could give your little cyber doggie a run for his money! ;) I've seen the specs for aibo on-line, it beats out most of the high-end computers I own... :/ I myself am more of a cat person: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_652000/652293.stm Nope no clues in Aibo interfacing, i am sure someone with $2k to kill will have something up soon... But I did discover the Aibo webring... http://neuro-trials1.mgh.harvard.edu/aibo/aibo.shtml 0010100100101010101001011110100010010111000101001001 Now to completely change the subject.. While 'surfing the net, I found Scott Adams (of Adventure International) website, he is still kicking and even doing adventure programming (part time now) for those interested: http://www.msadams.com/ Doug Salot wrote: > > I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I bought an AIBO and it arrived > yesterday. Anybody else have one? Pretty damn cool, but I wish it had a > bidirectional wireless communication interface to a PC. I'd love to > monitor its senses and mess with its mind. > > -- Doug -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24299 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 14:31:16 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20572 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 22:31:57 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20570 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 22:31:56 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail003.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 22:31:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 14840 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2000 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.149.52]) (envelope-sender ) by mail003.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 30 Apr 2000 22:31:53 -0000 Message-ID: <390CB456.57882651@jps.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:32:25 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Make money with your (old) computers! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P57C80.CNM Ever wondered how you can put those spare collectible computers to work for you? http://www.technology-props.co.uk/text/computers.htm -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:19 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24327 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:12:06 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20707 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:12:48 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20705 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 23:12:47 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27198 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:06:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: More Silent 700 Goodness In-Reply-To: <20000430160741.A8406@loomcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6EE90.CNM On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, sjm wrote: > I was just at WeirdStuff for the first time in ages. It sure has > crapped out again. I remember about five years ago it was going > through a good period, then crapped out, then came back somewhat > when it moved from Lawrence to Caribbean, and now it seems to be > pooping out again. A shame. Blame eBay: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=weirdstuff-inc&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 -- Doug From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24321 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:07:00 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20672 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:07:42 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20670 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:07:42 -0000 Received: from phoenix.retronet.net (HELO loomcom.com) (216.112.97.80) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 23:07:42 -0000 Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08477 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:07:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:07:41 -0700 From: sjm To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: More Silent 700 Goodness Message-ID: <20000430160741.A8406@loomcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4D2A0.CNM I was just at WeirdStuff for the first time in ages. It sure has crapped out again. I remember about five years ago it was going through a good period, then crapped out, then came back somewhat when it moved from Lawrence to Caribbean, and now it seems to be pooping out again. A shame. Anyway, I did pick up one interesting little thing. It's a very modern looking "TI Silent 700/1200 BPS" portable terminal. It's about 12" by 10" by 3" and on the bottom claims to be a Model 707/1200. It has a funky 3-pin power connector rated at 20VAC 1.4A 28W that's wiggly and needs to be resoldered, but otherwise looks OK. It has a "707/1200 Auto Access Cartridge" inside (no idea what this is), and it's cute as a button. I scrounged around for a power supply that would fit it. Many wall worts that came very, very close, but none that were a perfect match. I'll have to fiddle with it. -Seth From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:33 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24343 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:33:16 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20809 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:33:58 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20807 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:33:57 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 23:33:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27237 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:27:45 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:27:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: More Silent 700 Goodness In-Reply-To: <20000430232804.10574.qmail@brouhaha.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P78D00.CNM On 30 Apr 2000, Eric Smith wrote: > Why blame eBay? If you look at their 30 day history, they just keep > relisting the same boring crap, and not getting bids for most of it. Last time I went there (about a year ago), they had a bunch of PET and Apple ][ stuff that they were storing away in the back to be ebay'd. -- Doug From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:37 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24337 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 15:27:55 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 20770 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:28:38 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 20768 invoked by alias); 30 Apr 2000 23:28:37 -0000 Received: from ruckus.brouhaha.com (HELO brouhaha.com) (209.185.79.17) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2000 23:28:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 10575 invoked by uid 342); 30 Apr 2000 23:28:04 -0000 Date: 30 Apr 2000 23:28:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000430232804.10574.qmail@brouhaha.com> From: Eric Smith To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com In-reply-to: (message from Doug Salot on Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:06:35 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: More Silent 700 Goodness References: Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P5F680.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > Blame eBay: > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=weirdstuff-inc&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Why blame eBay? If you look at their 30 day history, they just keep relisting the same boring crap, and not getting bids for most of it. From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:49 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24845 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:42:17 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23093 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 17:43:00 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23091 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 17:42:59 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 17:42:59 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26673 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:42:52 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200005011742.KAA26673@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Re: More Silent 700 Goodness To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4A7D0.CNM Re: > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=weirdstuff-inc&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > > Why blame eBay? If you look at their 30 day history, they just keep > relisting the same boring crap, and not getting bids for most of it. If you check their history, you'll see they were doing the typical newbie seller mistake: setting a too-high minimum bid. They've just switched to low-minimum bid plus hidden reserve...so I suspect they'll start selling more stuff (even if they have to negotiate offline with the high bidders). It's surprising how many sellers don't catch on to that technique... it at least helps them establish an apparent ebay market value. -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:44:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24849 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:49:04 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23128 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 17:49:48 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23126 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 17:49:47 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12948; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11079; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14143; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005011749.KAA14143@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Cc: donm@cts.com, west@tseinc.com Subject: Re[2]: My NIC-80 In-Reply-To: <39070F0F.6ADC1B82@home.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P62100.CNM Hi All I made good progress with my NIC-80, this weekend. I traced out the board in the floppy controller that does the write control. After a couple of more experiments, I was at the point that I could both write and read data to the floppy disk ;) I still have work to do. I'm not sure yet of the data block size that is expected. I need to experiment a little. It looks like it expects to write 512 ea 20 bit words on half a track. I've started looking at how the hard disk software works and figuring out how to make the floppy compatible. They should have be similar but I've already found some differences. I'm sure glad I got past the write handshake. It was the skip from I/O that did it. I'd thought I'd tried it but I guess I had the wrong combination of checking the status register for correct sector status. I have a manual on order from Herb J. for the SA-900. It was expensive but still should be worth the extra. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:45:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24875 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:32:35 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23239 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 18:33:17 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23237 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 18:33:16 -0000 Received: from dapples.go2net.com (207.178.54.88) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 18:33:16 -0000 Received: from dougs by dapples.go2net.com with local-smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12mL0E-0005YE-00; Mon, 01 May 2000 11:33:06 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Salot To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: ACM Allen Newell Award Lecture - Prof. Nancy Leveson (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2CF70.CNM ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:11:29 -0700 From: Dag Spicer To: info@computerhistory.org Subject: ACM Allen Newell Award Lecture - Prof. Nancy Leveson Dear Friends of the History Center: The day after our May 3rd New Vision Event, we are delighted to announce the following lecture taking place at Stanford under the direction of Museum member and Stanford Professor Ed Feigenbaum. This lecture should be of potential interest to attendees of our "Early Computer Crime" lecture of last month. (Ref: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/earlycrime_03232000/) For details on our May 3rd New Vision event, please visit: http://www.computerhistory.org/events/newvision_05032000/ Thanks and hope to see you in the days ahead! D.S. -------------------------------------------- Subject: ACM Allen Newell Award Lecture - "Computers and Trust" Speaker: Professor Nancy Leveson, MIT - 1999 ACM Newell Award Recipient Date: Thursday, May 4, 2000 Time: 4:30pm - 6:30pm Location: Terman Auditorium, Stanford University Prof. Nancy Leveson, MIT, is the recipient of the 1999 ACM Allen Newell Award. "Computers and Trust" "We seem not to trust one another as much as would be desirable. In lieu of trusting each other, are we putting too much trust in our technology?" - T.B. Sheridan. Computers are being introduced into the control of virtually every dangerous system, including nuclear weapons, transportation systems (aircraft, automobiles, trains), medical devices, and chemical and nuclear power plants. Few engineering techniques exist to provide assurance that safety is not being degraded by the substitution of digital systems for the electromechanical designs that have been perfected through decades and sometimes centuries of experience. At the same time, nothing is absolutely safe, and computers provide important advantages over the human operators, social systems, and engineered devices they are replacing. This talk will attempt to examine whether concern is justified. Are we putting too much trust in computers? Will introducing computers to assist or replace human operators eliminate or reduce the problem of human error? Are there limits to the reasonable uses of computer technology? If so, what do we need to do to stretch those limits? For more information, please contact: Kay Walker at +1 650 723 4878 or visit the Stanford CS Department website at: http://calendus.stanford.edu/CS/ -------------------------------------------- -- Dag Spicer Curator & Manager of Historical Collections Editorial Board, IEEE Annals of the History of Computing The Computer Museum History Center Building T12-A NASA Ames Research Center Mountain View, CA 94035 Tel: +1 650 604 2578 Fax: +1 650 604 2594 E-m: spicer@computerhistory.org WWW: http://www.computerhistory.org PGP: 15E31235 (E6ECDF74 349D1667 260759AD 7D04C178) S/V T12 From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:45:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24956 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:54:26 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23673 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 21:55:09 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23671 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 21:55:09 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 21:55:09 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 29978 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 21:55:05 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 21:55:05 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000501145607.00c158d0@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:00:29 -0700 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com From: Chuck McManis Subject: Ebay detective agency? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P7BEB0.CNM Sometimes I wish there were a sort of "Detective Agency" that you could use as an Ebayer to get a bit more information about some of the bidders. The ones that I'm curious about are: Who is larryo1@altavista.net ? Who is xlowes ( canada10oh7@aol.com ) ? And why is he dumping all this stuff all at once? Who is edsheboth really? People that bid on stuff, sometimes in seemingly irrational ways! --Chuck From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:45:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24980 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:39:46 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23785 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 22:40:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23783 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 22:40:30 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 22:40:30 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19406 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03524 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17822 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005012240.PAA17822@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:40:27 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Ebay detective agency? In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000501145607.00c158d0@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P18150.CNM Chuck McManis wrote: > Sometimes I wish there were a sort of "Detective Agency" that you could use > as an Ebayer to get a bit more information about some of the bidders. The > ones that I'm curious about are: > Who is larryo1@altavista.net ? > Who is xlowes ( canada10oh7@aol.com ) ? And why is he > dumping all this stuff all at once? > Who is edsheboth really? > > People that bid on stuff, sometimes in seemingly irrational ways! > > --Chuck Hi Chuck You can always get their correct email address and ask them. You can also see their past sale history. Most will answer with a polite mail message. I always look at their past sales, as well as any feedback posted before I decide how much to bid. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:45:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA24986 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:48:35 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23822 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 22:49:19 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23820 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 22:49:18 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 22:49:18 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA19548 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08441 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17966 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005012249.PAA17966@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Ebay detective agency? In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000501145607.00c158d0@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0A8D0.CNM Hi If you really think there is something funny about some of these sellers of things, you can always report them to: http://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportInfringing These are the eBay detectives. They'll slap the hands of those that they think are not on the up and up. I've sent them problems of SPAM sellers selling junk on the incorrect categories. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:46:00 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25008 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:34:44 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 23966 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 23:35:23 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 23964 invoked by alias); 1 May 2000 23:35:22 -0000 Received: from dapples.go2net.com (207.178.54.88) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 1 May 2000 23:35:22 -0000 Received: from dougs by dapples.go2net.com with local-smtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 12mPii-00067X-00; Mon, 01 May 2000 16:35:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:35:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Salot To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: MIT/Stanford vlab Title Correction (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P43CE0.CNM Not exactly classic stuff, but I thought you guys might be interested. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 18:13:57 EDT From: MITvlab@aol.com To: MITvlab@aol.com Subject: MIT/Stanford vlab Title Correction May 23, 2000 Internet Over Satellite (IPoS) Tachyon.net Sponsored by MIT/Stanford Venture Laboratory Presenter: John Koehler, Ph.D., CEO Two-way Internet access 30 times faster than T-1 - that's what Tachyon is bringing to the IP over satellite (IPoS) market. No need for cable installation, just a clear sky and a dish looking out to a satellite, for up to 45 Mbps bandwidth. Bill Gates' Teledesic is also preparing to launch hundreds of low-orbit communication satellites in 2004 and other companies are following. Tachyon uses satellites already available in orbit. Can Tachyon survive when Teledesic enters this market? How will Tachyon compete or collaborate with high speed cable and DSL Internet services as well as other IPoS offerings? Come hear Tachyon's CEO, John Koeler answer all of these questions and more at the upcoming Vlab event. Presenter: John Koehler, Ph.D., CEO, Tachyon.net Panelists: Rich Shapero, Managing Partner at Cross Point Venture Partners James B. Southworth, Director of Advanced Network Services and Technologies, Concentric Network Corporation Internet over satellite industry analyst TBD Moderator: Robert J. Berger, Principal of Internet Bandwidth Development, Founder/Chairman, UltraDevices, Inc. Date: Tuesday, May 23rd, 2000 Time: 6:00 p.m. Cocktail reception 7:00-8:30 p.m. Presentation/panel discussion/Q&A Where: Stanford University, Graduate School of Business, Bishop Auditorium Cost: $25 pre-paid registration by May 16/$30 after and at the door/NO RESERVATIONS AFTER May 19 Registration: On-line registration can be made by http://www.vlab.org. To register by phone, call 408.323.2246, fax your name, phone and credit card information to 408.997.6487 (VISA or MasterCard ONLY) * * No refunds after May 16 * * About MIT/Stanford Venture Lab The MIT/Stanford Venture Laboratory (Vlab) is a non-profit organization through which entrepreneurs and executives gather to learn about a range of business issues involved in launching a start-up company. Its forums are for those interested in emerging technologies and in building and growing a business. The Vlab provides an environment where entrepreneurs present their business plan before a panel of industry experts and leaders. Every forum presents the audience with a micro perspective about specific issues related to the segment within which the presenting company competes, including technological, financial, channel, market, or regulatory. Many who have served as panelists are highly respected, successful leaders and visionaries within the business community. Venture Lab forums are held monthly at the Stanford University campus. 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About Tachyon: John E. Koehler, Ph.D., founded Tachyon in 1997. He foresaw that business customers throughout the world would demand high-performance access to the Internet at all their business locations sooner than could be delivered terrestrially or through the projected satellite Internet systems. He wanted to take advantage of existing geostationary satellite capacity to bring two-way connectivity to the Internet to everyone, everywhere now. Presenter, Moderator and Panelists Biographies Presenter: John Koehler, PhD., President, CEO, Founder of Tachyon. Dr. Koehler's most interesting background is his career at CIA. He was Deputy Director of the CIA and Associate Director of the Rand economics department at the Rand Corporation. He later became CEO of Hughes Communications and VP of the Telecommunications and Space Sector, Hughes' satellite division. At Hughes, he led satellite ventures such as DirecTV, American Mobile Satellite, and Japan Communication Satellite Company. He managed the acquisition of the company founded by Qualcomm's Irwin Jacobs that would become part of Hughes Network Systems. He holds a Ph. D. in economics from Yale University. Moderator: Robert J. Berger, Principal of Internet Bandwidth Development, Founder/Chairman of UltraDevices, Inc. Mr. Berger advises high speed Internet start-ups such as Covad Communications and Cosine Communications as well as manages his own start-up, UltraDevice, Inc. Prior to establishing UltraDevice, Inc., he also founded InterNex Information Services, Inc., which provided high speed Internet access for business customers. He has also held positions at Sony Advanced Video Technology Group, Digital F/X and Datacube Inc. Panelist: Rich Shapero, Managing Partner at Cross Point Venture Partners. Mr. Shapero is a high tech "Christopher Columbus" who explores next generation technologies and businesses that utilize them. His successful investments include iBeam Broadcasting in the satellite arena and Covad Communications in DSL arena. He is also a founder of DataFlo, Sharpwriter, and PDI. He holds BA in English from University of California at Berkeley. Panelist: James B. Southworth, Director of Advanced Network Services and Technologies, Concentric Network Corporation. While Tachyon runs over satellites in the air, Concentric Network corporation supports it from the ground. Mr. Southworth presents his point of view as Tachyon's ground ISP. He also serves on the board of directors at other technology companies such as MCR Network Security and AdEvia Ltd., as well as the technical advisory board of Westel Telecommunications Products and NexTone Communications. Previously, he was VP of Operations at DataAmerica Corporations, CEO at ComFac/ACD Inc., and VP of R&D at Digitran Inc. May 23, 2000 Stanford University Graduate School of Business Bishop Auditorium 6:00 pm Reception 7:00 pm Presentation From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:46:07 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25038 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:23:58 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24078 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 00:24:43 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24076 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 00:24:42 -0000 Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 2 May 2000 00:24:42 -0000 Received: from [63.200.50.205] by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FTW006FIOX487@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:19:53 -0700 From: Robert Arnold Subject: Re: More Silent 700 Goodness In-reply-to: <20000430232804.10574.qmail@brouhaha.com> X-Sender: rax@pop.sirius.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" References: (message from Doug Salot on Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:06:35 -0400 (EDT)) Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P27750.CNM >Doug Salot wrote: >> Blame eBay: >> >> >>http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid >>=weirdstuff-inc&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > >Why blame eBay? If you look at their 30 day history, they just keep >relisting the same boring crap, and not getting bids for most of it. So how come nobody is bidding on these? Think of how cool they'd look in your yard! R. -- Robert Arnold Editor-in-Chief DarkHorse2000 http://www.darkhorse2000.com robert@darkhorse2000.com "Information is the currency of democracy" - Thomas Jefferson "Politics is applesauce" -Will Rogers From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:46:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25042 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:28:26 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24111 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 00:29:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24109 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 00:29:10 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 2 May 2000 00:29:10 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21399 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17879 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19268 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005020029.RAA19268@civic.hal.com> Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:29:07 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re[2]: More Silent 700 Goodness In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P037D0.CNM Robert Arnold wrote: > >Doug Salot wrote: > >> Blame eBay: > >> > >> > >>http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid > >>=weirdstuff-inc&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > > > >Why blame eBay? If you look at their 30 day history, they just keep > >relisting the same boring crap, and not getting bids for most of it. > > So how come nobody is bidding on these? Think of how cool they'd look in > your yard! > > R. Darn, you made me look. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:50:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25050 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:48:11 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24171 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 00:48:55 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24169 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 00:48:54 -0000 Received: from adsl-216-103-73-138.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO bender.ndx.net) (216.103.73.138) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 2 May 2000 00:48:54 -0000 Received: from akebono ([10.168.1.10]) by bender.ndx.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15668; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:43:56 -0700 From: "Kirk Davis" To: , Subject: COSMAC 1802 Simulator Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 17:43:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <019601bfb3ca$a8beb760$ae89b7d1@kstumpf> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2D400.CNM Ugh - I spent some time writing a 1802 simulator and wanted to get Tiny Basic going on it. I just went though my manuals and I have the Basic manual, but have seemed to lost the hex dump for the Basic Interpreter itself. Does anyone on the list have any hex dumps (or binary files) for 1802 programs? I'd like to get some other things going besides the simple ELF programs. I'm going to post the simulator (source and all) when I get something interesting going. Thanks, Kirk From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:53:06 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA25592 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:27:14 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 26651 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 20:28:00 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26649 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 20:27:59 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 2 May 2000 20:27:59 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06884 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27213 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08103 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005022027.NAA08103@civic.hal.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:27:56 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: North* Horizon X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P05060.CNM Hi The fellow that had the N* has reposted it with a starting bid of $100. At least now we know the starting bid. Anyway, someone in our group, I keep forgeting who it was had an IMSAI with a burnt transformer. I would think that the transformer in this unit would work well. It at least would have the right taps. I might be interested in other parts of the machine. Anyway, I just thought I'd let you guys know. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322475684 Later Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:53:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA25630 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:46:47 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 26843 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 21:47:30 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 26841 invoked by alias); 2 May 2000 21:47:29 -0000 Received: from phoenix.retronet.net (HELO loomcom.com) (216.112.97.80) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 2 May 2000 21:47:29 -0000 Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05581 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:47:25 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:47:25 -0700 From: sjm To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Silent 700's Message-ID: <20000502144725.A5547@loomcom.com> References: <4.1.20000427153302.044cdc30@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> <20000428113705.A2693@loomcom.com> <4.1.20000428115852.03d17b40@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000428115852.03d17b40@mailhost.hq.freegate.com>; from cmcmanis@mcmanis.com on Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 12:05:54PM -0700 Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29BE0.CNM On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 12:05:54PM -0700, Chuck McManis wrote: > Welcome back Seth! > Thanks, it's good to be back! > >I was going to replace it with. I still have the data if anyone > >wants a copy of the "archive"] > > It would be nice to get the last list of subscribers. I think several > people got dropped and are wandering around wondering where we went. I'll ferret the archives out for you, along with the subscriber list. > >Speaking of Silent 700s, I've got a Silent 700 model 745 here, the > >kind that does upper/lower case, with the accoustic coupler modem > >and a 15-pin D-sub connector on the back. > > Does it do "true" upper/lower case or "big caps and little caps" :-) Big Caps/Little Caps. It's quite cute, really. I had a Silent 700 years ago, but it lacked small caps or lower case entirely, so this is a NEW and EXCITING high tech item for me. I haven't yet been able to resurrect the newish looking Model 707 I found, so I don't know whether that one has proper lower case or not. It's certainly tiny, however. Perfect to whip out at a meeting when you need to check mail or something, if you're into getting reactions. [...] > >By the way, it works quite nicely for dialling Tymnet, which > >for some unknown reason is still humming along quite happily. > >(www.tymnet.com if you want to find local 300/1200 baud dialups) > > Yeah, and even stranger the old Tymenet hacking stuff still seems to work, > so maybe Tymenet was secretly bought by old tyme hackers who got rich using > their dial out modems to infiltrate bbs' around the world. Ooh, do tell. I never did any Tymnet stuff back in the day, so I'm not familiar with its hacking culture. I only really picked it out because I knew they still supported 300 baud (something that virtually NO other dial-up systems do as far as I can tell) > --Chuck -Seth -- "As a general rule, the man in the habit of murdering | Seth Morabito bookbinders, though he performs a distinct service | sethm@loomcom.com to society, only wastes his own time and takes no | personal advantage." -- Kenneth Grahame (1898) | Perth ==> * From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:53:53 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01225 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:17:23 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 254 invoked by alias); 3 May 2000 23:16:57 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 251 invoked by alias); 3 May 2000 23:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (207.20.210.10) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 3 May 2000 23:16:56 -0000 Received: from sinasohn.ricochet.net ([10.24.164.142]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA163D for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:16:24 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000503151340.00d3aca0@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:33:46 -0700 To: baccl From: Uncle Roger Subject: VCF Trivia Question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2E3A0.CNM This piece has the distinction of being the 1st piece of music programed for play on the very 1st electronic music board made for a personal computer (S-100 CP/M, circa 1975) and has been used as the theme music for Joe King's Personal Computer Show, WBAI-FM 99.5, New York City, since 1981. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:54:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01229 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:17:26 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 256 invoked by alias); 3 May 2000 23:16:58 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 252 invoked by alias); 3 May 2000 23:16:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uxl.longs.com) (207.20.210.10) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 3 May 2000 23:16:57 -0000 Received: from sinasohn.ricochet.net ([10.24.164.142]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAB163D for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:16:25 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000503153349.00d3d4a0@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 15:35:36 -0700 To: baccl From: Uncle Roger Subject: VCF Trivia Answer (Spoiler!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P4F8A0.CNM "Sonata in B Flat for the Clarinet and Piano" by Johann Wanhal (1739-1813) According to Blues/Jazz pianist Sue Keller (http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/83/sue_keller.html) --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:55:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01219 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 15:01:55 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 166 invoked by alias); 3 May 2000 23:01:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 164 invoked by alias); 3 May 2000 23:01:30 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 3 May 2000 23:01:30 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA07764; Wed, 3 May 2000 16:01:19 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200005032301.QAA07764@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Re: Bering Tape Drive To: ron.ritch@home.com Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 16:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.20000503184814.266f0bb0@mailhost.intellistar.net> from "Joe" at May 03, 2000 06:48:14 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0D7F0.CNM Hi, Try asking Steve Sun at Bering: steve@bering.com (Note: I haven't used that email address for at least a year) > >From: Ron Ritch > >Subject: Bering Tape Drive ... > >I am looking for a Bering T-100 tape drive. > >This drive was made in the early 1980's > >It has a HPIB interface and uses DC600A tape cartridges. > >It was used with HP9836 computers under Basic 5.0. > >Do you have such a drive or suggest a company which might. > > > >We are trying to get some data off some old tapes. > >This drive uses a different format than the HP9144 drive > > > >Many Thanks > >Ron Ritch -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:58:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01282 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:21:43 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 573 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 01:21:17 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 571 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 01:21:17 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail009.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 4 May 2000 01:21:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 23705 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 01:21:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.151.138]) (envelope-sender ) by mail009.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 May 2000 01:21:10 -0000 Message-ID: <3910D054.C0F8797F@jps.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 18:20:24 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: VCF Trivia Question References: <4.3.0.20000503151340.00d3aca0@pop.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P39060.CNM Speaking of computer trivia, anyone ever give thought to re-doing the contest to a theme more like who wants to be a millionaire or Greed? We could call it "Who wants to be a Computer Nerd..." Start with a bunch of contestants and knock them off with questions till there is just one winner.... Just an Idea, I know how much time has been spent on the Jeapordy format. Another idea is have more variation to the questions like, using "Sound Bytes" "Name that part (or that port)?", use photos, props, etc., etc... Some ideas like "Which Weighs more: this ThinkPad or this Model 100?" -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:58:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01334 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 19:50:14 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 907 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 03:49:47 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 905 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 03:49:46 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail021.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 4 May 2000 03:49:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 7238 invoked from network); 4 May 2000 03:49:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([216.224.141.23]) (envelope-sender ) by mail021.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 May 2000 03:49:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3910F330.2F9F8E4D@jps.net> Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:49:07 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: [Fwd: Female Computer Pioneers - May 7] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------87052CC04EA9FC6EE041FC14" Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 570949760 0 1 P36250.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------87052CC04EA9FC6EE041FC14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fowarded from alt.folklore.computers... -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 --------------87052CC04EA9FC6EE041FC14 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: nntp3.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: spertus@mills.edu Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,alt.feminism Subject: Female Computer Pioneers - May 7 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 02:08:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Message-ID: <8eld9o$ka3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.91.21.201 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 02 02:08:02 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 144.91.21.201 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDespertus Xref: feed1.onemain.com alt.folklore.computers:239147 alt.feminism:541435 The ACM-Mills Conference on Pioneering Women in Computing will take place at Mills College in Oakland, California, on Sunday, May 7. Speakers include two of the original ENIAC programmers, Jean Bartik and Kay Mauchly Antonelli; language pioneer Jean Sammet; NASA scientist Annie Easley;community networking leader Antonia Stone; and author Betty Alexandra Toole, who will be speaking on Ada Byron, Lady Lovelace. There is no charge to attend, although pre-registration is required. For more information, see "http://tap.mills.edu/pioneers". For those who cannot attend, we will be making video available afterwards. Ellen Spertus Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. --------------87052CC04EA9FC6EE041FC14-- From ???@??? Sun May 07 05:59:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01930 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 14:58:59 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3322 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 22:58:35 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3320 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 22:58:34 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 4 May 2000 22:58:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01926 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 14:58:50 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 14:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Post VCF (was Re: More on Silent 700's) In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000428113059.03ce3310@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P21C80.CNM On Fri, 28 Apr 2000, Chuck McManis wrote: > PS Sellam, ask hans if he has any information on the 765. In particular I > would like to know the commands for recording into a bubble, testing the > bubbles, showing how much memory etc. If you have access to a FAX my e-fax > number is (413) 771-0516 I don't believe he does. At any rate I'm not in Germany anymore but am now in Oxford, England. VCF 1.0e was a gsuccess. A little over 100 people showed over the course of the two days. We were able to pull off the VCF despite the fact that we couldn't get the only disk drive Hans seems to have in his collection for an App//e working. It ended up being two German guys vs. Philip Belben. Philip took 2nd place. After that, Hans, Philip and I traipsed about Germany for three days. We went to Leipzig, Berlin, Potsdam and finally, Paderborn, where we visited the Heinz Nixdorf Museum. That is one awesome place. Highly recommended. They have great exhibits and some great artifacts. We picked up some good crap at the gift shop. There were some signed prints of Konrad Zuse in the poster display that were put in there by accident. We were able to buy them anyway at only DM$55 (roughly $25). I also got an autobiography of Konrad Zuse and some Konrad Zuse postcards featuring his expressionist paintings. Anyway, I'm in Oxford tonight and tomorrow night and then return home Saturday night. Are we planning a post-Foothill get-together at Stan's anytime soon? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:00:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02042 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:26:10 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3447 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 23:36:30 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3445 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 4 May 2000 23:36:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (dastar@localhost) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01969 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:36:45 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:36:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DASTAR COM To: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: Post VCF (was Re: More on Silent 700's) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P381F0.CNM On Thu, 4 May 2000, DASTAR COM wrote: > VCF 1.0e was a gsuccess. A little over 100 people showed over the course > of the two days. We were able to pull off the VCF despite the fact that Here I meant to say "we were able to pull off the NTC" (Nerd Trivia Challenge for the TLA challenged)...we pulled off the VCF as a whole just fine. Of course it was as chaotic as any previous VCF. > After that, Hans, Philip and I traipsed about Germany for three days. We > went to Leipzig, Berlin, Potsdam and finally, Paderborn, where we visited > the Heinz Nixdorf Museum. That is one awesome place. Highly recommended. We missed the Siemens 2002 at the Deutches Museum in Munich, but we did see a replica of the Zuse Z1 at the Deutches Technik Museum in Berlin along with a Z23 and Z64 and some other Zuse machines. The Deutches Technik Museum at least allowed us to take pictures of everything whereas the HNF (Heinz Nixdorf Museum) did not. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:00:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02048 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:31:59 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3485 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 23:44:58 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3483 invoked by alias); 4 May 2000 23:44:57 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 4 May 2000 23:44:57 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21245 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 4 May 2000 16:44:52 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200005042344.QAA21245@opus.allegro.com> Subject: Get-together on Sat, May 13 (in Cupertino)? To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 16:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P29EF0.CNM Hi, Is anyone interested in a post-Foothill get-together at my office (in Cupertino) on Saturday, May 13? At, say, noon? Possible theme (if it matters): small computer show/tell? (I'm interested in opening/exploring my Jupiter ACE) map: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=20700+Valley+Green+Drive&csz=Cupertino%2C+CA+95014&Get+Map=Get+Map -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:00:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02023 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:09:30 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3581 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 00:09:10 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3579 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 00:09:09 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 00:09:09 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22960 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22373 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20900 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005050009.RAA20900@civic.hal.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:09:07 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Get-together on Sat, May 13 (in Cupertino)? In-Reply-To: <200005042344.QAA21245@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P32820.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone interested in a post-Foothill get-together at my office > (in Cupertino) on Saturday, May 13? At, say, noon? > > Possible theme (if it matters): small computer show/tell? > > (I'm interested in opening/exploring my Jupiter ACE) Hi Stan Yes, I think I'll make it. I'll bring my Jupiter ACE, manual and my Timex RAM adapter. I'll also bring what I've figured to be the major difference between the US and UK versions for the video. We can compare boards side by side to see what is different. Use care when disassembling. They had soldered an interlock to the aluminum/cardboard shield that will break easily. I recommend using cutters to separate things and then just tack soldering it back together after fiddling. Mine are long since broken but who need a shield anyway. Dwight PS Chuck I'll like one also. Dwight From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:02:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02019 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:06:45 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3553 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 00:06:25 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3551 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 00:06:24 -0000 Received: from hq.freegate.com (208.226.86.129) by hq.home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 00:06:24 -0000 Received: (qmail+freegate 28192 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 00:06:21 -0000 Received: from ws29-n0.hq.freegate.com (HELO drpepper) (208.226.86.157) by hq.freegate.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 00:06:21 -0000 Message-Id: <4.1.20000504171110.03fcd330@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> X-Sender: cmcmanis@208.226.86.10 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:11:42 -0700 To: Stan Sieler , baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) From: Chuck McManis Subject: Re: Get-together on Sat, May 13 (in Cupertino)? In-Reply-To: <200005042344.QAA21245@opus.allegro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P23080.CNM I am, and if Sellam is there I can bring him his Silent 700 w/Bubble Memory. --Chuck At 04:44 PM 5/4/00 -0700, Stan Sieler wrote: >Hi, > >Is anyone interested in a post-Foothill get-together at my office >(in Cupertino) on Saturday, May 13? At, say, noon? > >Possible theme (if it matters): small computer show/tell? > >(I'm interested in opening/exploring my Jupiter ACE) > >map: >http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=20700+Valley+Green+Drive&csz= >Cupertino%2C+CA+95014&Get+Map=Get+Map > > >-- >Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com >www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:02:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from uxl.longs.com ([207.20.210.10]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02038 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:23:06 -0700 Received: from sinasohn.ricochet.net ([10.24.164.142]) by uxc.longs.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with ESMTP id AAA71F9 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 17:47:20 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000504173118.00c312c0@pop.ricochet.net> X-Sender: sinasohn@pop.ricochet.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 17:31:54 -0700 To: DASTAR COM From: Uncle Roger Subject: Re: 3 minutes out of 15... In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.0.20000429115545.00b04a60@pop.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P26FF0.CNM At 03:07 PM 5/4/00 -0700, you wrote: > > If it's okay with you, I'll go ahead and start compiling a list of > > potential candidates, rounding up copies, and getting the video > > equipment to show it. > >Make it so, #1! Okey-doke -- I'm on it. >Did you get the Apple Laser printer from Rax? Yep -- Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger@sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/ From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:07:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02547 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:49:20 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 5724 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 16:48:59 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5722 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 16:48:58 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 16:48:58 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000505164853.SBWU25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:48:53 -0700 Message-ID: <3912FA8A.559DB0EB@home.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:44:58 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stan Sieler CC: Bay Area Computer Collector List Subject: Re: Get-together on Sat, May 13 (in Cupertino)? References: <200005042344.QAA21245@opus.allegro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2F120.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > Is anyone interested in a post-Foothill get-together at my office > (in Cupertino) on Saturday, May 13? At, say, noon? I sure am. > Possible theme (if it matters): small computer show/tell? Well, I need to show off my all analog ATC-510 Personal Flight Simulator. It is a small computer, at least the computer board its self is small. :) > (I'm interested in opening/exploring my Jupiter ACE) I'll bring that PAL TV I mentioned. It has separate RCA inputs for video and audio. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:08:50 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02696 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:00:50 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 6280 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 21:00:31 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6278 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 21:00:30 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA07550 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl Subject: PC-JRs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0A030.CNM Your big chance to add one of the least collectible of all classic computers to your collection! TWO JRs 1 "Impulse" sidecar (640K, parallel, etc.) 1 IBM PC-JR monitor non-IBM composite monitors 1 IBM JR "compact printer" miscellaneous?? All for $23.50 Local pickup only - it's not worth it to me to pack and ship -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:09:13 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02707 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:15:35 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 6343 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 21:15:16 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6341 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 21:15:15 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 21:15:15 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA08851 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 14:15:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl Subject: COMDEX Show Guides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P665C0.CNM The fall (Las Vegas) Comdex show guide is about 500 pages of slick material. It has contact info for exhibitors in the form of company name, address, phone number, and a sentence or two of hype identifying their products for over 1000 companies. It's a good way to find companies (as kind of a worldwide yellow pages), or to keep track of who was around and when. One copy is free to anyone attending AT Comdex; sometimes it's easy, sometimes hard, to get extras. Interface Group used to sell them by mail for about $75 I have some extras to get rid of from most of the Fall Comdex's since 86. $1 each (pickup here); or $5 each including shipping; or will trade a dozen for the 1984 one. -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:09:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA02715 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 13:31:10 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 6399 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 21:30:50 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6397 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 21:30:49 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 21:30:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05251 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:24:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:24:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Classic analog computer manual In-Reply-To: <3912FB3B.87F087AA@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P7A750.CNM Cool. Wasn't the Harvard Mark I also a Navy-sponsored project at about the same time? Are the similar names just a coincidence? -- Doug On Fri, 5 May 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > Hi analog fans, > Just last night I found a manual that I've searched > for some time now: > > >COMPUTER MARK I AND MODS DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION ; NY 1945. > > Prepared for the US Navy Bureau of Ordnance by the > > Ford Instrument Compay of Long Island City, New York. > > "This Publication is Restricted." OP 1064., June 29 1945. > > 4to., 432pp., illus. Bound with metal studs. > > This is navy shipboard based mechanical analog computer used for > the aiming of 5" guns. It began as a Navy contact in 1927, and I > worked on one aboard a WWII destroyer in the mid-70s. > It could not only track and aim at surface targets, but aircraft > up 200 knots as well. During WWII this speed was increased to > 450 knots!! No other country had a Fire Control computer to > match it. It deployed on almost every USN ship from destroyers > through battleships and carriers by the end of the war. In the > late 40's the max speed was increased to 650 knots. > This computer even corrected for the Coriolis Effect. The Coriolis > Effect is (using the projectile's weight,speed,direction and latitude) > the (apparent) deflection of a moving object due to the earth's > rotation. > > --Doug > ==================================================== > Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) > Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) > Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com > Sunnyvale,CA > > Curator > Analog Computer Museum and History Center > http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog > ==================================================== > From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:10:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02758 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:45:23 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 6564 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 22:45:03 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 6562 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 22:45:02 -0000 Received: from ns1.haggle.com (HELO planetdoug.com) (216.149.156.162) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 22:45:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by planetdoug.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05410; Fri, 5 May 2000 18:38:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 18:38:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Doug Salot X-Sender: doug@planetdoug.com To: Doug Coward cc: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Classic analog computer manual In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000505141255.00aa0a70@mail.pressstart.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P03C70.CNM So, "Mark I" is the ancient way of saying "version 1.0". -- Doug On Fri, 5 May 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > At 05:24 PM 5/5/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Cool. Wasn't the Harvard Mark I also a Navy-sponsored project at about > >the same time? Are the similar names just a coincidence? > > Doug, > I can't reply to the list at work so this is just going to you. > > (Actually, I believe Colossus was called the Colossus Mark I.) > > So some of the differences between the Mk. 1 Fire Control computer > and the Havard Mark I that I can think of right off hand: > > * The Mk. 1 was beening used on ships as early as 1930. > The Havard Mark 1 started development in 1939. > > * The Mk. 1 is a special purpose analog. > The Havard Mark 1 is a general purpose digital. > > * By WWII, the Mk. 1 was known better as the Mk. 1a > because of improvements made. This is what most > people call it today. > > * The Mk. 1 was built by Ford Instrument. They later became > a part of Sperry Gryoscope, which became Sperry Rand, etc., etc. > The Havard Mark I was built by people from IBM. > > * There was many, many Mk. 1's made. > I believe there was only one Havard Mark I. The second was the > Mark II. > > * And of course, there are Mk. 1a Fire Control computers still > operating today (most probably in the Turkish Navy :) > > --Doug > > ========================================= > Doug Coward > Press Start Inc. > Sunnyvale,CA > ========================================= > From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:10:40 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03316 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 14:10:00 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 9513 invoked by alias); 6 May 2000 22:09:43 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 9511 invoked by alias); 6 May 2000 22:09:42 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 6 May 2000 22:09:42 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08508 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Sat, 6 May 2000 15:09:34 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200005062209.PAA08508@opus.allegro.com> Subject: HP 9000/845 : free To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3A9E0.CNM Hi, Does anyone want an HP 9000/845, free? It works, but has no disk drive. Location: Cupertino. Size: 2-drawer file cabinet. Has memory, HP-IB card, LAN card, and I/O expansion chassis (and cable). An 845 is a PA-RISC system that runs HP-UX. HP-UX 10.20 is still obtainable free from HP ("Y2K" program). After a few days, I'll post on ClassicCmp, then eBay :( thanks, -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:10:52 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA03925 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:53:26 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11390 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 12:53:12 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11388 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 12:53:11 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 12:53:11 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03921 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:53:21 -0700 Message-Id: <200005071153.EAA03921@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 05:53:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: North* Horizon Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200005022027.NAA08103@civic.hal.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5EA80.CNM On 2 May 00, at 13:27, Dwight Elvey wrote: > The fellow that had the N* has reposted it with > a starting bid of $100. At least now we know the > starting bid. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=322475684 This is Mark Metzler. Did he not make it onto the new list? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:13:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA03935 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:54:53 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11418 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 12:54:39 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11416 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 12:54:38 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 12:54:38 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03931 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:54:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200005071154.EAA03931@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 05:54:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: VCF Trivia Answer (Spoiler!) Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.0.20000503153349.00d3d4a0@pop.ricochet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: O X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P00200.CNM On 3 May 00, at 15:35, Uncle Roger wrote: > "Sonata in B Flat for the Clarinet and Piano" by Johann Wanhal (1739-1813) > > According to Blues/Jazz pianist Sue Keller > (http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/83/sue_keller.html) This will go into the "Impossible to Answer" category :) Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:13:14 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA03949 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:58:54 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11451 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 12:58:40 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11449 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 12:58:40 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 12:58:40 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03945 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 04:58:50 -0700 Message-Id: <200005071158.EAA03945@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 05:58:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: VCF Trivia Question Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3910D054.C0F8797F@jps.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P47E70.CNM On 3 May 00, at 18:20, Larry Anderson wrote: > Speaking of computer trivia, anyone ever give thought to re-doing the > contest to a theme more like who wants to be a millionaire or Greed? > > We could call it "Who wants to be a Computer Nerd..." Start with a > bunch of contestants and knock them off with questions till there is > just one winner.... Cool idea. I like the Jeopardy format but I'll give this consideration. > Another idea is have more variation to the questions like, using "Sound > Bytes" "Name that part (or that port)?", use photos, props, etc., etc... Yeah, I like that. I tried to incorporate some visuals for the first one but of course ran out of time. I need someone to hand this off to for VCF 4.0. It's a lot of work coming up with the questions and then transcribing them into the NTC software. Any takers? > Some ideas like "Which Weighs more: this ThinkPad or this Model 100?" Interesting. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 06:13:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA03972 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:02:33 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11497 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 13:02:19 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11495 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 13:02:18 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 13:02:18 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA03968 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:02:29 -0700 Message-Id: <200005071202.FAA03968@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 06:02:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Get-together on Sat, May 13 (in Cupertino)? Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.1.20000504171110.03fcd330@mailhost.hq.freegate.com> References: <200005042344.QAA21245@opus.allegro.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P214C0.CNM On 4 May 00, at 17:11, Chuck McManis wrote: > I am, and if Sellam is there I can bring him his Silent 700 w/Bubble Memory. I'll be coming, and will also bring along Christine Finn, the archaeologist I've been working with who's writing a book on computer archaeology, if she'll be in town by then. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 09:37:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA04318 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 08:20:49 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11910 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 16:20:34 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11908 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 16:20:33 -0000 Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 16:20:33 -0000 Received: from terminus (home.dadaboom.com [198.144.206.17]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA26592 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 09:20:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "William King" To: Subject: Free: ethernet NIC Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:20:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000001bfb840$2b0922e0$bf01a8c0@dadaboom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2DF40.CNM Anyone want a HP J2585 Ethernet NIC? It's free. It's a PCI card that does 10-Base-T and 100-Base-VG (not TX). It even works. Bill From ???@??? Sun May 07 09:57:02 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20911 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:06:54 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 3753 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 06:07:21 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 3751 invoked by alias); 26 Apr 2000 06:07:20 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 26 Apr 2000 06:07:20 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000426060720.NSHW12856.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <390686BE.78A02D2B@home.com> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 23:03:42 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl Subject: Re: Some things References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: RO X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P510E0.CNM Doug Salot wrote: > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Doug Coward wrote: > > Dwight made a great effort to bring this computer to the Bay Area, > > but was out bid by a gentleman from LA named Dan Slater. Dan Slater > > is a deep pocket that has been sucking up all of the YOUNG analogs > > and most of the old analog documentation that has come up for bid > > in the last 6 months. > > The good news is that this guy appears to be actually using the analog > computers for something interesting: > http://www.nearfield.com/~dan/ Well, Dwight is no slouch. And I...well I do the best I can, I'm still just learning. :) In other news, if you don't know yet, Haltek Electronics' last day is Saturday April 29th. That's when they will have their Mega Sale. I stopped by today to pick up a few things I can't live without, banana jacks, RCA cables, magnetic card readers, thermocouples, diodes, etc. Basically everything is 50% off. Outside the door I saw a pallet stacked 5 feet high with rolls of 1% resistors that said "make offer". They have bulk bags of diodes (about 2-3 pounds each) for $3.00. I picked up a 4' x 4' picture of some microprocessor die for $5 (They had two others). All of the test equipment on the top of the rows, in the back, is GONE. Just about all of the data books they had, are gone. I remember Haltek as the place where I found a $10 SuperELF, a $10 SWTPc PR-40 printer, and a $60 IMSAI. They loss their lease and couldn't find any other place they could afford. Talking about last day, tomorrow the 26th is Art Bell's last broadcast (for real this time). And what happened to Surplus Stuff in Milpitas? I went by there and it was not open and the sign was gone. And does anyone know if RA Enterprise actually closed their doors? --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sun May 07 09:57:18 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA04334 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 08:38:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 11963 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 16:38:43 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 11961 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 16:38:42 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 16:38:42 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04330 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 08:38:52 -0700 Message-Id: <200005071538.IAA04330@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 09:38:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Las Positas Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2EE20.CNM Did anyone score anything cool at Las Positas today? I found a few little things but nothing to bust a nut over. This one and the last one both were semi-rained-out. I'm hoping the next one will be sunny, but pickins are slim these days anyway. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 12:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04429 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:38:15 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 12227 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 18:38:00 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12225 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 18:37:59 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 18:37:59 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04425 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 10:38:08 -0700 Message-Id: <200005071738.KAA04425@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:37:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Mills College seminar Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1CC00.CNM Anyone else heading out to Mills College for the seminar? I'm heading out there in a few minutes. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 18:18:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA04598 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 13:13:08 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 12584 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 21:12:54 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12582 invoked by alias); 7 May 2000 21:12:53 -0000 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.62) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 7 May 2000 21:12:53 -0000 Received: from mcmanis.com ([208.13.137.132]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15562; Sun, 7 May 2000 14:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3915DEA0.8DA09336@mcmanis.com> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 14:22:40 -0700 From: Chuck McManis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: New term 'terd' Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P0B200.CNM Terrorist Nerd - someone who uses their knowledge of technology to terrorize people who use technology. I invented it, you heard it here first! :-) --Chuck From ???@??? Sun May 07 18:20:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04709 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:11:26 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 12972 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 00:11:12 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 12970 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 00:11:11 -0000 Received: from smtp-out001.onemain.com (HELO mail005.mail.onemain.com) (63.208.208.71) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 May 2000 00:11:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 5243 invoked from network); 8 May 2000 00:11:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jps.net) ([209.162.58.247]) (envelope-sender ) by mail005.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 May 2000 00:11:03 -0000 Message-ID: <391605E0.26811945@jps.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 17:10:10 -0700 From: Larry Anderson Reply-To: foxnhare@jps.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl Subject: Re: New term 'terd' References: <3915DEA0.8DA09336@mcmanis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P25100.CNM I could've sworn that was the definition of Microsoft... Terd doesn't sound like something catchy that the newsfolkd would use, howabout TECH-ERRORIST? Chuck McManis wrote: > > Terrorist Nerd - someone who uses their knowledge of technology to > terrorize people who use technology. > > I invented it, you heard it here first! :-) > > --Chuck -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-2400 bps Commodore 8-bit page at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html SiliCon 6 Gaming/Gathering-04/01/2000 - http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/silicon.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011 From ???@??? Sun May 07 18:25:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04763 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:18:57 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13133 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 01:18:41 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13131 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 01:18:41 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 May 2000 01:18:40 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04759 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:18:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200005080018.RAA04759@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:18:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) Re: New term 'terd' Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4BBA0.CNM On 7 May 00, at 14:22, Chuck McManis wrote: > Terrorist Nerd - someone who uses their knowledge of technology to > terrorize people who use technology. > > I invented it, you heard it here first! :-) Quick, get a federally registered trademark. Then I'll license it from you and make shirts to sell at VCF. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 18:26:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04775 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:21:22 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13166 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 01:21:07 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13164 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 01:21:06 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 May 2000 01:21:06 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04771 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:21:14 -0700 Message-Id: <200005080021.RAA04771@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:20:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: New term 'terd' Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <391605E0.26811945@jps.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6B8C0.CNM On 7 May 00, at 17:10, Larry Anderson wrote: > Terd doesn't sound like something catchy that the newsfolkd would use, > howabout TECH-ERRORIST? How about "Techorcism" - the process of cleansing oneself of technology. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Sun May 07 20:31:26 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02554 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:52:12 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 5757 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 16:51:52 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 5755 invoked by alias); 5 May 2000 16:51:51 -0000 Received: from ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com (HELO mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com) (24.0.0.66) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 5 May 2000 16:51:51 -0000 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000505165150.SECG25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: <3912FB3B.87F087AA@home.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:47:55 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Classic analog computer manual References: <200005050009.RAA20900@civic.hal.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5CDE0.CNM Hi analog fans, Just last night I found a manual that I've searched for some time now: >COMPUTER MARK I AND MODS DESCRIPTION AND OPERATION ; NY 1945. > Prepared for the US Navy Bureau of Ordnance by the > Ford Instrument Compay of Long Island City, New York. > "This Publication is Restricted." OP 1064., June 29 1945. > 4to., 432pp., illus. Bound with metal studs. This is navy shipboard based mechanical analog computer used for the aiming of 5" guns. It began as a Navy contact in 1927, and I worked on one aboard a WWII destroyer in the mid-70s. It could not only track and aim at surface targets, but aircraft up 200 knots as well. During WWII this speed was increased to 450 knots!! No other country had a Fire Control computer to match it. It deployed on almost every USN ship from destroyers through battleships and carriers by the end of the war. In the late 40's the max speed was increased to 650 knots. This computer even corrected for the Coriolis Effect. The Coriolis Effect is (using the projectile's weight,speed,direction and latitude) the (apparent) deflection of a moving object due to the earth's rotation. --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Sun May 07 21:32:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04900 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:27:27 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 13560 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 04:27:13 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 13558 invoked by alias); 8 May 2000 04:27:11 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 8 May 2000 04:27:11 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04896 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:27:20 -0700 Message-Id: <200005080327.UAA04896@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 21:26:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Bell Technical Journals Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29A80.CNM I made a pretty nice score today. A seller at Las Positas had a couple bound editions of the Bell Technical Journals: several issues (called "Monographs") bound together in each volume. I was going to just pass them by when I opened one up and the first "Monograph" was entitled "Computer recognition of vowel sounds". Hmmmm. I asked him how much he wanted for them and he said he had a set of about 170 that he wanted to sell en masse. It then dawned on me that these journals had probably scores of computer articles going back into the 30's. BINGO. So I ended up buying them all for $140. They will make an excellent addition to the archive. I pretty much have articles from around 500 through 5000 (I don't know what date range that represents, perhaps mid- late 30's through the 70's?). I have the indexes for 1200-4650 and they show many articles on computers, data processing, etc. I'm wondering if there is a complete index online. Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Tue May 09 08:12:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06928 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:12:46 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 17926 invoked by alias); 9 May 2000 15:12:37 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 17924 invoked by alias); 9 May 2000 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 9 May 2000 15:12:36 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06924 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:12:35 -0700 Message-Id: <200005091412.HAA06924@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 08:11:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Just testing... Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P56F30.CNM Is BACCL alive or dead? Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Tue May 09 08:54:08 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.0.66]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06952 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 07:36:36 -0700 Received: from home.com ([24.1.74.65]) by mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <20000509153630.VLBB25138.mail.rdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 08:36:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39182F8E.CB1D9297@home.com> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 08:32:30 -0700 From: Doug Coward Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dastar@siconic.com Subject: Re: Just testing... References: <200005091412.HAA06924@siconic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P77B30.CNM You wrote: > Is BACCL alive or dead? Sure it's working. Do you have any idea if you have Bell Technical Journals that cover the mid 1950's? I would like to find an official mention of this: "In 1955 Bell Telephone Laboratories completed 50,000 simulated intercepts of ballistic missile targets using an analog computer indicated that it was possible to hit a missile with another missile." --Doug ==================================================== Doug Coward dcoward@pressstart.com (work) Sr. Software Eng. mranalog@home.com (home) Press Start Inc. http://www.pressstart.com Sunnyvale,CA Curator Analog Computer Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog ==================================================== From ???@??? Tue May 09 10:18:54 2000 From ???@??? Tue May 09 10:18:32 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07064 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:01:04 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 18164 invoked by alias); 9 May 2000 17:00:55 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 18162 invoked by alias); 9 May 2000 17:00:55 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 9 May 2000 17:00:54 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28360; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29634; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05037; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005091700.KAA05037@civic.hal.com> Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) To: dastar@siconic.com, baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: Just testing... In-Reply-To: <200005091412.HAA06924@siconic.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P52D00.CNM Hi Sam You should get two messages. One from the list and one from me. Dwight "Sellam Ismail" wrote: > Is BACCL alive or dead? > > Sellam International Man of Intrigue and > Danger > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Looking for a six in a pile of nines... > > VCF Europe: April 29th & 30th, Munich, Germany > VCF Los Angeles: Summer 2000 (*TENTATIVE*) > VCF East: Planning in Progress > See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Tue May 09 21:22:43 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07758 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:35:19 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 19502 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 03:35:11 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 19500 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 03:35:10 -0000 Received: from opus.allegro.com (209.10.39.50) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 May 2000 03:35:10 -0000 Received: (from sieler@localhost) by opus.allegro.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11686 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:35:04 -0700 From: Stan Sieler Message-Id: <200005100335.UAA11686@opus.allegro.com> Subject: i-opener at Cupertino get-together? To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com (Bay Area Computer Collector List) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 20:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P3E930.CNM Hi, Does anyone who is coming to Cupertino on Saturday have any i-opener experience? Mine just arrived :) thanks, -- Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler From ???@??? Wed May 10 08:58:58 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08751 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:57:29 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21061 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 15:57:21 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21059 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 15:57:20 -0000 Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (192.88.244.55) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 May 2000 15:57:20 -0000 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17398 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14806 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA26150 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005101557.IAA26150@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:57:19 -0700 (PDT) To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: i-opener at Cupertino get-together? In-Reply-To: <200005100335.UAA11686@opus.allegro.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P1A090.CNM Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone who is coming to Cupertino on Saturday have any > i-opener experience? Mine just arrived :) > > thanks, > > -- > Stan Sieler sieler@allegro.com > www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler Hi Stan You wouldn't be think of removing the PROM and doing a funny thing with a ribbon connector, would you? Dwight From ???@??? Wed May 10 09:59:30 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08848 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:57:30 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21210 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 16:57:24 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21208 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 16:57:23 -0000 Received: from phoenix.retronet.net (HELO loomcom.com) (216.112.97.80) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 May 2000 16:57:23 -0000 Received: (from sethm@localhost) by loomcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01618 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:58:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:58:18 -0700 From: sjm To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Re: i-opener at Cupertino get-together? Message-ID: <20000510095818.A1603@loomcom.com> References: <200005100335.UAA11686@opus.allegro.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1us In-Reply-To: <200005100335.UAA11686@opus.allegro.com>; from sieler@allegro.com on Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:35:04PM -0700 Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P23950.CNM On Tue, May 09, 2000 at 08:35:04PM -0700, Stan Sieler wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone who is coming to Cupertino on Saturday have any > i-opener experience? Mine just arrived :) > > thanks, My housemate just got his (he ordered it through Circuit City in the middle of March, and it came in last week). It has the PROM gunk, but I guess manufacturing is getting lazy, because they didn't chop off any of the IDE pins -- they're all intact. So far, we haven't done anything with it. It's set aside for future hacking :) -Seth -- "As a general rule, the man in the habit of murdering | Seth Morabito bookbinders, though he performs a distinct service | sethm@loomcom.com to society, only wastes his own time and takes no | personal advantage." -- Kenneth Grahame (1898) | Perth ==> * From ???@??? Wed May 10 09:59:57 2000 Return-Path: Received: from mailgw0.hal.com (mailgw0.hal.com [192.88.244.55]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08807 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:31:33 -0700 Received: from pedex.hal.com (pedex.hal.com [148.57.5.123]) by mailgw0.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18188 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from civic.hal.com (civic.hal.com [148.57.34.89]) by pedex.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27736 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:31:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwight Elvey Received: (from elvey@localhost) by civic.hal.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26590 for dastar@siconic.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:31:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005101631.JAA26590@civic.hal.com> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 09:31:29 -0700 (PDT) To: dastar@siconic.com Subject: Re[2]: i-opener at Cupertino get-together? In-Reply-To: <200005101501.IAA08764@siconic.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P00210.CNM "Sellam Ismail" wrote: > On 10 May 00, at 8:57, Dwight Elvey wrote: > > > You wouldn't be think of removing the PROM and doing > > a funny thing with a ribbon connector, would you? > > You mean there's a way to modify it to work with any old ISP? Hi Some silly Linux thingy they do. Oh my, I don't think the makers had that in mind. They were suppose to be selling the PC below actual value to hook you on their sevice. The Linux hackers had it running Linux in about a week. It seems that the designers had almost copied a PC in hardware. The Linux fellows had already done ROM replacements to make standalone Linux terminals ( no disk ) so porting to the iOpener was easy. I have some pointers to info sites, someplace. I'm sure Stan has these handy. Dwight From ???@??? Wed May 10 22:54:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09473 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:26:31 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 22339 invoked by alias); 11 May 2000 01:26:26 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 22337 invoked by alias); 11 May 2000 01:26:25 -0000 Received: from buzz.sonic.net (208.201.224.78) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 11 May 2000 01:26:25 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.224.36]) by buzz.sonic.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA22954 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:29:34 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: (from coad@localhost) by sonic.net (8.8.8/8.7.3) id SAA09228 for baccl@home.mcmanis.com; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:26:24 -0700 Message-ID: <20000510182624.A9136@soinic.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:26:24 -0700 From: Paul E Coad To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: testing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1D2B0.CNM Hi All, Just testing the subscription from my new account. I can now be reached at coad@sonic.net. The addresses pcoad@wco.com and pcoad@ncal.verio.com will disappear in about a month. --paul From ???@??? Wed May 10 22:54:54 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09104 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:45:38 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 21587 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 19:45:33 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 21585 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 19:45:32 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (208.25.68.5) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 10 May 2000 19:45:32 -0000 Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01887 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 12:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 12:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" X-Sender: cisin@lanshark.lanminds.com To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Subject: Keyboard actuator In-Reply-To: <20000510095818.A1603@loomcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P51990.CNM When it comes to transferring data between mutually incompatible systems, nothing can compare with putting a box full of solenoids on the keyboard! At one time their primary market was as a way to convert a perfectly good typewriter into a ridiculous printer. There were two main contenders: the Rochester Dynatyper (which had a dual board for connecting to the bus of Apple ][ and TRS-80 I/III), and the KGS-80 (which cabled to an ordinary Centronics port) I'm ready to part with my KGS-80. I got it used about 15 years ago, and used it once for exercising sticking keys on a keyboard, and once for transferring a 100 pages of manuscript from a TRS-80 into a Merganthaler typesetting machine. This is THE device that will transfer files to ANYTHING. IF you can stop laughing. Best offer. -- Fred Cisin cisin@xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com 2210 Sixth St. (510) 644-9366 Berkeley, CA 94710-2219 From ???@??? Thu May 11 17:59:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10572 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:56:39 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 24754 invoked by alias); 11 May 2000 20:56:35 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 24752 invoked by alias); 11 May 2000 20:56:34 -0000 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.49) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 11 May 2000 20:56:34 -0000 Received: from mcmanis.com ([208.13.137.16]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27575; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <391B20C9.67F94E8D@mcmanis.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:06:17 -0700 From: Chuck McManis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com, classiccmp@classiccmp.org Subject: Free Pro350 available (FOB Sunnyvale) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3E3D0.CNM I've got a Pro350 (PDP 11 in a DECMate type case) with a ST25x hard drive and an RX50 dual floppy sitting around doing nothing 'cept gettin' in the way. Its available for free, no questions asked, no restrictions, except that: 1) It is in Sunnyvale California (94086) and I'm not paying to pack/mail it. 2) I don't know if it works or not. I did power it up and the disk seeks around a bit but I've got a mono monitor (from an unrelated acquisition) that is also questionable and it didn't say anything at all. You can have the monitor and an LK201 keyboard with it as well. I've got no docs and no way to either ascertain if it is working, should have a color monitor etc, or not. --Chuck From ???@??? Thu May 11 22:52:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10969 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:42:30 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 25458 invoked by alias); 12 May 2000 02:42:29 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 25456 invoked by alias); 12 May 2000 02:42:28 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 12 May 2000 02:42:28 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10965 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:42:25 -0700 Message-Id: <200005120142.SAA10965@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:38:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Early transistor article Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P067E0.CNM I've been doing a lot of searching on ABE recently and through my research I learned that the first article on the transistor was published around 1948. The article was published in The Physical Review in July 1948 (specifically Vol. 74 pp.230-233, July 15). I then saw references to the Bell Technical Journal and realized the transistor was a Bell invention (Shockley, Brattain and Bardeen were all Bell scientists at the time of course). I found a reference to a Bell Technical Journal that contained the same article, located it in my index, and found the volume with the article. Sweet. Some dealer on ABE wants in excess of $1,000 for the issue of The Physical Review with the article. Looking in the index I realize I now have pretty much every significant early article on the transistor. What a coup for the VTC/RC! Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... Coming soon: VCF 4.0! VCF East: Planning in Progress See http://www.vintage.org for details! From ???@??? Fri May 12 10:17:56 2000 Return-Path: Received: from home.mcmanis.com (adsl-209-76-108-61.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [209.76.108.61]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11623 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:11:21 -0700 Received: (qmail+freegate 27196 invoked by alias); 12 May 2000 16:11:20 -0000 Delivered-To: baccl@home.mcmanis.com Received: (qmail+freegate 27194 invoked by alias); 12 May 2000 16:11:19 -0000 Received: from c60105-a.lvrmr1.sfba.home.com (HELO siconic.com) (24.1.126.60) by home.mcmanis.com with SMTP; 12 May 2000 16:11:19 -0000 Received: from c60105-a ([192.168.1.1]) by siconic.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11619 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:11:12 -0700 Message-Id: <200005121511.IAA11619@siconic.com> From: "Sellam Ismail" To: baccl Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:06:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Quaint history of Mike Quinn Electronics Reply-to: dastar@siconic.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12b) Status: X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P01DC0.CNM I found this on Todd Fischer's IMSAI.NET site. A nice little history of Mike Quinn Electronics: http://www.imsai.net/Memories/surplus_conn.htm Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a six in a pile of nines... Coming soon: VCF 4.0